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So much for bbc presenters being impartial oh yeah it’s only when it suitsI heard the 5-live review yesterday as well- all most depressing and apt to raise one’s blood pressure. I wouldn’t be surprised if it wins at Cannes, given that it’s a hot topic that many have opinions about.
It’s more or less a documentary, so most people seeing it will therefore think that it has to be unbiased because it is just presenting real life events. From the sound of it, it is anything but. By anthropomorphising the cow, and focusing on aspects that most people will interpret negatively (apparently there are lots of shots of the cow in dark sheds, no doubt standing in filth, lots of her ‘crying’ when her calf is removed, the ‘monstrous’ milking machines… etc), it will give a highly warped impression of the industry, and the ‘education’ it gives will be specious and misleading. Apparently there is a brief moment when the cow is in a field (they didn’t film much over summer then, huh!, then it’s back to the dark sheds.
I used to quite like Mark Kermode and have enjoyed his highly entertaining film review programs with Simon Mayo. Mark is a pescatarian (veggie but eats fish) and his kids are vegan. In his review, he had clearly drawn the conclusions that you are led to. I thought that his comments at the end of the review were entirely uncalled for- “I really think veganism is the way forward”.
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To be fair, the life of a typical intensive dairy cow today isn't great.
Well exactly.What if the cow was doing all the things an average person does? Hour or more commute every day, stuck in traffic jams with blood pressure going through the roof. 8 hours in the office bashing a keyboard under fluorescent lights. Few minutes to guzzle down some processed waste with zero nutritional value. Quick shouting match with the wife and kids then collapse into bed till the alarm goes off again at stupid o' clock. Repeat until Alzheimer's. Ah the bliss of modern life.
That would be a waste of my time and bile. Most presenters contract their services to the BBC so in theory they are free to express their opinions, so long as they conform to left-wing elite groupthink.Make A Complaint | Contact the BBC
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Add in standing in slurry or on slats and eating a high energy,high protein ration then being culled after 3 or 4 lactations.Well exactly.
It sounds like this documentary is highly biased by presenting mainly aspects of the cow’s life that can be interpreted negatively (sheds, calf taken away, industrial milker etc) while minimising the positive aspects (top vet care, lovely time outside for much of the year etc).
We’ve always had cows and I love them. I don’t doubt their intelligence, their ability to feel pain and distress. I’d be a poor farmer if I didn’t see that. Yes my cows moo at their calves at weaning time and that lasts a couple of days before they go back to being contented. An unbiased film would cover that for about 30 seconds but I bet the sequence in this film goes on for ages.
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Add in standing in slurry or on slats and eating a high energy,high protein ration then being culled after 3 or 4 lactations.
Contrast with a typical suckler (and yes,I know, it isn't a fair comparison being a completely different industry that just happens to also use cows).
On the other hand they are kept fed, have veterinary needs met, are free from predators......
Money!Beggars believe really that anyone in the dairy industry would agree to do this in the current climate of hate against the industry as a whole. it would never be edited in favour of farming imo bit of an own goal I’m happy to be proved wrong though
That wouldn't have cost a lot to make.Exactly my point about the way it’s edited.
Veganuary seems to have been a bit quiet this year, possibly because there have been several more news worthy stories around this month. Could it also be because they realise that people are getting fed up of them constantly banging on about it? This could be a different way for them to get there message out. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the likes of PETA helped fund it.
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Add in standing in slurry or on slats and eating a high energy,high protein ration then being culled after 3 or 4 lactations.
Contrast with a typical suckler (and yes,I know, it isn't a fair comparison being a completely different industry that just happens to also use cows).
On the other hand they are kept fed, have veterinary needs met, are free from predators......
My thoughts exactly, which is why I thought I’d start the thread. Kermode is a journalist, albeit music. Like so many he is clearly a lazy one as he isn’t questioning anything he’s watched, just swallowed it hook line and sinker, then making life choices as a result which are unsustainable and more than likely damaging to his health.I heard the 5-live review yesterday as well- all most depressing and apt to raise one’s blood pressure. I wouldn’t be surprised if it wins at Cannes, given that it’s a hot topic that many have opinions about.
It’s more or less a documentary, so most people seeing it will therefore think that it has to be unbiased because it is just presenting real life events. From the sound of it, it is anything but. By anthropomorphising the cow, and focusing on aspects that most people will interpret negatively (apparently there are lots of shots of the cow in dark sheds, no doubt standing in filth, lots of her ‘crying’ when her calf is removed, the ‘monstrous’ milking machines… etc), it will give a highly warped impression of the industry, and the ‘education’ it gives will be specious and misleading. Apparently there is a brief moment when the cow is in a field (they didn’t film much over summer then, huh!, then it’s back to the dark sheds.
I used to quite like Mark Kermode and have enjoyed his highly entertaining film review programs with Simon Mayo. Mark is a pescatarian (veggie but eats fish) and his kids are vegan. In his review, he had clearly drawn the conclusions that you are led to. I thought that his comments at the end of the review were entirely uncalled for- “I really think veganism is the way forward”.
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This reply is one problem.If I get the chance to come back, I think I'd rather be a Dairy cow than a child born in Syria or the Yemen who probably has a lot shorter like expectancy. Or a British child destined to die of parental neglect or abuse.
The biggest problem for you dairy farmers is that your customer and the public in general are so far removed from any idea what is ‘normal’ to you that unless you pitch some balance and steer the narrative it will always be seen negatively.
I don’t understand why dairy marketing doesn’t do this and at least give itself a chance.