Dartmoor wild camping

[AnnaMooMoo]

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...er-alexander-darwall-court-case-right-to-camp

A surprising outcome!
TBF I would not want random people camping on my farm without permission as much as wealthy town folk don’t want me crapping on their front lawns.

 

[Jerry]

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...er-alexander-darwall-court-case-right-to-camp

A surprising outcome!
TBF I would not want random people camping on my farm without permission as much as wealthy town folk don’t want me crapping on their front lawns.

The real issue up on the moor is not wild camping, rather the abuse of the moor by people having illegal raves, burning the place down with disposable bbqs, littering far and wide and worrying the stock and ponies.

As ever it’s the few buggering it up fur the people who know how to behave.

There been a big backlash about the guy who took it to court, but I’ve been told he’s been a positive force in general. Lots of jealousy.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Yes Its a Good outcome ,

There's plenty of appropriate campsites around , with toilets , litter bins and .... fire extinguishers.

 

[penntor]

So all the school kids training for 10 Tors or Duke of Edinburgh awards will now have to use official camp sites.
It is not ,or should not be, camping on your farm but open moorland which has the right to roam. Wild camping IS hiking off into the moors and just stopping and pitching a small ( 1 or 2 person) tent overnight, miles from anywhere. It is not pitching your 6 berth tent 100 yards from the car park for a week. Will be interesting seeing DNPA try and police it, they can't even police all the camper vans parked in moorland car parks over night or the van dwellers.

 

[BrianV]

I understand Dartmoor National Park were in favour of it but if you dare pitch a tent on the bit of Haytor that they own they would go ballistic & yet it seems they are happy to have people pitch tents on other peoples land? There is no such thing as open moorland somebody has had to buy each & every part at some time or other.

 

[BrianV]

If the Dartmoor National Park Authority are in favour of this as long as the moor owner agrees does that mean moorland owners can now advertise tent pitch sites on their moor for a fiver a night, should be a good money spinner.

 

[penntor]

When I say open moorland I mean unenclosed as opposed to fields or newtakes.
And yes, it is all owned by somebody, Duchy of Cornwall, DNPA ( own a common next to me ) or private individuals.

 

[Bury the Trash]

there's too many people about anyway , crawling all over the place .

 

[Dry Rot]

From the dim recesses of my mind, I believe wild camping may be legal in Scotland so long as you do not light a fire. The law (if I am correct) goes back to the time when 'roving", as it was called, was done by disordering bands of unemployed people who obviously stole sheep, etc. in oder to stay alive. Somethings, it seems, never change! Does anyone know?

 

[Bury the Trash]

And yes, it is all owned by somebody,

This whole Country is 'owned by somebody' perhaps they should travel abroad for unowned and managed wilderness

Wild anything is a bit of a misnomer, which with the way things seem to going , needs curbing in some way like the fashion leaning towards 'rewilding' .

No where is wild here its a "managed Conservation area " all of it, and that must be right because its a phrase told to me by a townie .

I might sound grumpy but that's because i am about all the people around nowadays , cars and people crawling everywhere ,i'm qualified as well , my family has lived and worked int in the Devon Countryside for upwards of 300 yrs as far as we can trace ,its all changing beyond recognition and way too fast ,time for the brakes to be put on yeah right or its too late.
people cant have everything they want can they ,its (in a trendy word) unsustainable, it really is.

I'm sick of it all to be honest, i find it hard to relate to a lot of stuff going on now days.

 

[ollie989898]

No need to wild camp illegally, I am sure the National Trust will happily let people camp and light fires on all the land they own...?

 

[puppet]

From the dim recesses of my mind, I believe wild camping may be legal in Scotland so long as you do not light a fire. The law (if I am correct) goes back to the time when 'roving", as it was called, was done by disordering bands of unemployed people who obviously stole sheep, etc. in oder to stay alive. Somethings, it seems, never change! Does anyone know?

Definitely can so long as you follow the access code, walk in and take away all your rubbish. Small fire will be ok.
Had to ban it in Loch Lomond national park as it was becoming trashed

 

[Tonka]

When younger I've wild camped. No one ever found me, I'd be trespassing 100% of the time, but sometimes a sheltered corner in an out of the way field was all I needed. Brought and took everything away....well nearly everything

 

[Sid]

Walked and camp in Dartmoor all though teens and early 20's.
Never anywhere near roads ,always away in over the Moor walking miles.
Always left only our foot prints, as with anything it all gets over done by those who think they have rights.

Vans,large tents, leaving tyre marks,rubbish,disposable BBQ ,total disrespect for the very thing they have supposedly gone to enjoy. So fair play to getting the ban on those "users"

Iirc used to say something like 90% of visitors to the moors don't venture more than 10m from their car. That may have changed.

 

[egbert]

When I say open moorland I mean unenclosed as opposed to fields or newtakes.
And yes, it is all owned by somebody, Duchy of Cornwall, DNPA ( own a common next to me ) or private individuals.

And there is the detail in which the devil lies for me.
Even a farmer living on the edge of it struggles to put into words what the rules are.

Can you imagine what it's like farming in the middle of it?
Infested all summer with arrogant little w4nkers who don't want to understand the rules,
or worse, understand the rules perfectly well but want to make their little stand for having one over on the rich toffs that landowners obviously are.
I have to endure endless encounters with strangers in which i will always be the baddie, the nasty selfish farmer ('look, what harm am I doing?')

There is plenty of unenclosed land that isn't common.
There is plenty of enclosed land that doesn't look like a 'field'.
Some common owners never allowed wild camping - which is what this case is about. It seems now that owners will have to 'opt in' if they wish to allow wildcamping, rather than 'opt out' if they don't.
For decades, the national park have carefully whispered down a well what the rules are.

The biggest problem is the ceo of the national park, who has been pushing unrestricted wildcamping on Dartmoor during all his tenure, at a national level...to make his desk bigger.
A growing population is obviously going to impact...but he's made it much much worse.
He doesn't have to deal with the consequences of his actions, and will shortly be walking away with a huge pension.
(To say I hope he doesn't get to enjoy it pain free for very long hardly touches the breadth of hatred I have for him)

As Brian says, he'll jump all over anyone daring to do anything on his land, up to and including using courts, bailiffs and police to remove people off commons the park themselves own.

 

[Sid]

Historic wild camping tradition restricted on Dartmoor

Wild camping on Dartmoor without permission has been ruled unlawful by the High Court.

www.bbc.co.uk

Just read the comments from those who wouldn't want you to even set foot on their little bit of England!

They even have a door bell with a camera on it to see who dares set foot upon their kingdom.

 

[BrianV]

Historic wild camping tradition restricted on Dartmoor

Wild camping on Dartmoor without permission has been ruled unlawful by the High Court.

www.bbc.co.uk

Just read the comments from those who wouldn't want you to even set foot on their little bit of England!

They even have a door bell with a camera on it to see who dares set foot upon their kingdom.

Not a case of not wanting people to wild camp which if done properly I have no problem with, just the hypocracy of the DNP of saying asking permission of the owners is wrong but have a very different attitude with what they own, it’s like their attitude to housing for local people if you manage to get permission to convert an old barn then more often than not they prefer to restrict it’s use to holiday makers rather than local people.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

And there is the detail in which the devil lies for me.
Even a farmer living on the edge of it struggles to put into words what the rules are.

Can you imagine what it's like farming in the middle of it?
Infested all summer with arrogant little w4nkers who don't want to understand the rules,
or worse, understand the rules perfectly well but want to make their little stand for having one over on the rich toffs that landowners obviously are.
I have to endure endless encounters with strangers in which i will always be the baddie, the nasty selfish farmer ('look, what harm am I doing?')

There is plenty of unenclosed land that isn't common.
There is plenty of enclosed land that doesn't look like a 'field'.
Some common owners never allowed wild camping - which is what this case is about. It seems now that owners will have to 'opt in' if they wish to allow wildcamping, rather than 'opt out' if they don't.
For decades, the national park have carefully whispered down a well what the rules are.

The biggest problem is the ceo of the national park, who has been pushing unrestricted wildcamping on Dartmoor during all his tenure, at a national level...to make his desk bigger.
A growing population is obviously going to impact...but he's made it much much worse.
He doesn't have to deal with the consequences of his actions, and will shortly be walking away with a huge pension.
(To say I hope he doesn't get to enjoy it pain free for very long hardly touches the breadth of hatred I have for him)

As Brian says, he'll jump all over anyone daring to do anything on his land, up to and including using courts, bailiffs and police to remove people off commons the park themselves own.

I caught the Green MP Caroline Lucas on Radio 4 yesterday talking about the subject (World at 1 I think), I have never heard a politician talking such utter balderdash, she either has no knowledge of National Parks, and private ownership, or willfully chooses to ignore all that.

 

[egbert]

I caught the Green MP Caroline Lucas on Radio 4 yesterday talking about the subject (World at 1 I think), I have never heard a politician talking such utter balderdash, she either has no knowledge of National Parks, and private ownership, or willfully chooses to ignore all that.

ah...watermelon politics. Green on the outside, red inside.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

interesting article on public access with dogs

Dog waste may harm nature reserve biodiversity by fertilising the soil

Dogs’ urine and faeces bring large amounts of nitrogen and phosphorus into suburban nature reserves, which could be harmful to plant biodiversity

www.newscientist.com