Deal Done!??

[capfits]

You wet yourself @capfits

Just finding your diversionary obtuse answers funny.

 

[Hindsight]

I follow you. My point was we don’t really want too much hassle on our doorstep. We will get some for sure. We do need to find alternative markets for our goods as we have been too reliant on EU exports

what an obtuse statement - apologies if I offend. Have you read Mrs Thatchers Lancaster House speech from April 1988. What you have written is the exact opposite of why she and the then Conservative Party (not this current UKIPlitemob) drove forward the SIngle Market. Ah well.

https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107219

 

[caveman]

The single market, maybe...

 

[Martin Holden]

what an obtuse statement - apologies if I offend. Have you read Mrs Thatchers Lancaster House speech from April 1988. What you have written is the exact opposite of why she and the then Conservative Party (not this current UKIPlitemob) drove forward the SIngle Market. Ah well.

https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107219

No offence taken. Personally I voted remain as the freedoms it allowed were beneficial. But on the other side the drive to even more unity is one which I have difficulty with. Handing even more control over to Brussels is a notion that doesn’t sit comfortably with me. Mind you our mob in Westminster and by that I mean all parties are nothing to write home about either. We may be tariff free but the admin protocol is almost the same thing right now at least. We will all know a lot more in a years time won’t we..... hopefully.

 

[Martin Holden]

what an obtuse statement - apologies if I offend. Have you read Mrs Thatchers Lancaster House speech from April 1988. What you have written is the exact opposite of why she and the then Conservative Party (not this current UKIPlitemob) drove forward the SIngle Market. Ah well.

https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107219

Having just read it it appears to fly in the face of what she said in latter years. While I respect that we live in a democracy, giving the public such an important decisions to make without proper background information of the pros and cons was always a risk. DC lite the blue touch paper and got a result he didn’t expect at all. The EU needs to; stop, take a hard look at life today, the changing global map and then consider how best it can serve its members. It’s a big job but I don’t see this being done right now.

 

[Hindsight]

No offence taken. Personally I voted remain as the freedoms it allowed were beneficial. But on the other side the drive to even more unity is one which I have difficulty with. Handing even more control over to Brussels is a notion that doesn’t sit comfortably with me. Mind you our mob in Westminster and by they I mean all parties are nothing to write home about either. We may be tariff free but the admin protocol is almost the same thing right now at least. We will all know a lot more in a years time won’t we..... hopefully.

Sorry. Yes, we have similar views. Ah well. As you say time will tell. Ongoing process. It will be OK.

 

[Hindsight]

The single market, maybe...

That was October 1990. Two years after the Lancaster House Speech. And she was beginning to face difficulties from her anti European colleagues and of course her tenure on the top job was beginning to weaken - so she started to follow the dog whistle. She did combat successfully with Delours. Interestingly 30 years on the references in the speech how many have come to pass. EU meddling in health. UK forced into a SIngle European Currency. European Army. But time for that yet you will say. But UK retained the right of veto. Listen to a few of the isues from the past in those mighty speeches and what came to pass. But the UK ecomomy grew in back of EU SIngle Market. SO w embark on a voyage outside of the SIngle Market.

Interesting times. Good result yesterday but I still managed to use three sets of underpants. And two TVs one is now waiting for a new screen. Cheers.

 

[stewart]

could you take your pension out and re invest it in france ?

I moved my Personal Pensions from the UK to NZ, it was not easy, the difficult part was trying to avoid the thieving tw@ts in the City of London from getting their grubby hands on a large portion of it.

 

[stewart]

I know , therefore you'll GET reduced pension here and probably the same in NZ

I will get a full pension in NZ with the reduced pension I receive from the UK going directly to the NZ exchequer.

 

[Farmer1001]

No offence taken. Personally I voted remain as the freedoms it allowed were beneficial. But on the other side the drive to even more unity is one which I have difficulty with. Handing even more control over to Brussels is a notion that doesn’t sit comfortably with me. Mind you our mob in Westminster and by that I mean all parties are nothing to write home about either. We may be tariff free but the admin protocol is almost the same thing right now at least. We will all know a lot more in a years time won’t we..... hopefully.

It will be hard to judge the UK trade benefits for at least 3,4,5 years. I suspect the trade deficit will increase substantially and UK Gov will drive it.

 

[bobk]

I will get a full pension in NZ with the reduced pension I receive from the UK going directly to the NZ exchequer.

Oh .

 

[Ashtree]

It will be hard to judge the UK trade benefits for at least 3,4,5 years. I suspect the trade deficit will increase substantially and UK Gov will drive it.

The killing part for business, is that the benefits of the single market and customs union , cannot be replicated in and future global trade deal. Yes, there will be trade deals around the globe (which there already was when in the EU), but all these require the same paperwork etc, etc, as the new trade deal with EU has.
It’s really, really difficult to figure out the logic of the whole thing.

 

[Hindsight]

Having just read it it appears to fly in the face of what she said in latter years. While I respect that we live in a democracy, giving the public such an important decisions to make without proper background information of the pros and cons was always a risk. DC lite the blue touch paper and got a result he didn’t expect at all. The EU needs to; stop, take a hard look at life today, the changing global map and then consider how best it can serve its members. It’s a big job but I don’t see this being done right now.

Just two years after that 1988 speech The Berlin Wall had fallen. The reunification of Germany. Hope of moving to free, selg governed democratic societies for the former Soviet Bloc countrie behnd the Iron Curtain. And behind her Right wing anti European Tories. The Bruges Group founded in 1989. The world had moved on immensely. Her enthusiasm for the SIngle Economic Market was as well. But the politics of Europe had moved tectonically in space of 24 months.

As to your comment the EU needs to stop. Can I say please do not fall into the camp of Brexiters telling the club what to do now we have left, willing it to fail. We hear them on here all the time. Its very sad and I believe stems from British exceptionalism - a new term I had never heard of but I now appreciate.

Best wishes.

 

[Ukjay]

No one is denying Covid is affecting trade but its so small in relation to the affects of customs procedures on freight from the UK to NI. Stenna have capacity, custoims are doing checks yet freight is sat unable to book carriers to take it. This is a business I have serious experience in, we sold that business and am still well connected so don't tell me I'm wrong on what I know, and you could verify, is right.

You were / are basically trying to deny the severity the pandemic is impacting the current situation - and stated 'little if anything in the delays is related to Covid' even though there is evidence that can be read to the contrary. Customs are going through paperwork yes, have not at any point denied that have I - but not efficiently as it could be outside of the Pandemic as has been seen - which would only have a positive impact on the current scenario outside of the pandemic..

Companies have had to comply with numerous additional legal requirements to maintain every employees health and safety whilst on site, which sadly, can and often does drive down the available skilled resources on site to cover, so the creation of the necessary paperwork / data checks / data verifications, will be lacking as some will be home working to allow the social distancing rules in offices, thus creating a problem with limited skills available at point of source to sort out the relevant documentation in a timely manner if something goes wrong.
This is fact - not fiction like you try to make us believe - it is happening daily throughout the UK and Ireland. Yes business is happening - but it is not at the levels it was, and it will take time to get back to pre covid levels.

Drivers are also having to get Covid tested and ensure it is in the timeframe stipulated prior to travelling - which adds both additional time to deal with things to check they have the relevant documentation to prove they are safe to travel or potentially to ensure they are only used for certain routes instead of being able to be used staff on any routes.
If they test positive - additional time onto hauliers to get replacement staff to cover staff who are to self isolate, as well as people they have come into contact with - and that is if they can actually get replacement drivers.

I openly stated in my previous posts that there is no denying there will be issues with generating the relevant declarations etc caused through customers not completing their side of the documentation correctly - as the haulier cannot schedule a load without ticking the relevant boxes as you and I both know, but I know it is not the sole reason for where we are. I would guess without having the documentation to hand that the trailers waiting are potentially due to incomplete r incorrect declarations, and the following debates over whos responsibility it is to resolve..

Your denying the impact is significant is rediculous and incensitive to all the people who have had their lives and busiesses shattered as a result of Covid constraints - which does and has impacted trade volumes to and from both sides..
There is reports that show Covid 19 impact on freight volume for Ireland which were estimating a 40% reduction, which I would say has had significant adverse direction on Irish hauliers, and you deny it... Will be interesting to see if their predictions are correct.



YMWV

 

[Martin Holden]

Just two years after that 1988 speech The Berlin Wall had fallen. The reunification of Germany. Hope of moving to free, selg governed democratic societies for the former Soviet Bloc countrie behnd the Iron Curtain. And behind her Right wing anti European Tories. The Bruges Group founded in 1989. The world had moved on immensely. Her enthusiasm for the SIngle Economic Market was as well. But the politics of Europe had moved tectonically in space of 24 months.

As to your comment the EU needs to stop. Can I say please do not fall into the camp of Brexiters telling the club what to do now we have left, willing it to fail. We hear them on here all the time. Its very sad and I believe stems from British exceptionalism - a new term I had never heard of but I now appreciate.

Best wishes.

You have got me all wrong. I’m not a Brexiteer!

 

[Hindsight]

You have got me all wrong. I’m not a Brexiteer!

I know your not. Hence my comment about the last sentence in your post. Sorry. Best wishes.

 

[Ukjay]

So if you have not paid anything into the upkeep of the country you should not be entitled a "free pass" to anything, taking that line of reasoning there would be a great number of people already living in the UK that would be unable to access public services, with the low profits we are constantly told about in UK farming some of them would be from the agricultural sector.
Emigrating to another country and coming back to a country you already hold a passport for are two entirely different things, any decent country should be responsible for its citizens regardless of where they reside.
We are constantly told that the UK wants to become a global player and spread its wings worldwide, to do so will involve UK citizens moving overseas to work and promote a Global Britain, lets look at 2 hypothetical scenarios.

1. A young Brit moves overseas to say Singapore, to work in the lucrative financial sector, lives there for 30 years, meets a Singaporean girl gets married and has kids, 30 years later decides to move back to the UK to retire.

2. A sheep farmer in the hills of Wales, never moves off the farm carries on farming in the traditional way the same as the family have done for generations.

The Brit in Singapore may not have contributed UK tax but the company he works for has a UK head office in London with the profits from that company remaining in the UK, the sheep farmer in Wales is a drain on the UK taxpayer as the farm is unprofitable, unable to pay tax and is mollycoddled by the UK tax payer with subsidies, who is more deserving of public services?

Why should the Brit from Singapore be unable to bring his family back to the UK to live with him in retirement? Is it just because they are not born in the UK?

Erm, I feel you are definitely asking the wrong person those questions, as I would not be giving you the answers you would like I fear, which in turn would give me more sh!t on here..

 

[Farmer1001]

You were / are basically trying to deny the severity the pandemic is impacting the current situation - and stated 'little if anything in the delays is related to Covid' even though there is evidence that can be read to the contrary. Customs are going through paperwork yes, have not at any point denied that have I - but not efficiently as it could be outside of the Pandemic as has been seen - which would only have a positive impact on the current scenario outside of the pandemic..

Companies have had to comply with numerous additional legal requirements to maintain every employees health and safety whilst on site, which sadly, can and often does drive down the available skilled resources on site to cover, so the creation of the necessary paperwork / data checks / data verifications, will be lacking as some will be home working to allow the social distancing rules in offices, thus creating a problem with limited skills available at point of source to sort out the relevant documentation in a timely manner if something goes wrong.
This is fact - not fiction like you try to make us believe - it is happening daily throughout the UK and Ireland. Yes business is happening - but it is not at the levels it was, and it will take time to get back to pre covid levels.

Drivers are also having to get Covid tested and ensure it is in the timeframe stipulated prior to travelling - which adds both additional time to deal with things to check they have the relevant documentation to prove they are safe to travel or potentially to ensure they are only used for certain routes instead of being able to be used staff on any routes.
If they test positive - additional time onto hauliers to get replacement staff to cover staff who are to self isolate, as well as people they have come into contact with - and that is if they can actually get replacement drivers.

I openly stated in my previous posts that there is no denying there will be issues with generating the relevant declarations etc caused through customers not completing their side of the documentation correctly - as the haulier cannot schedule a load without ticking the relevant boxes as you and I both know, but I know it is not the sole reason for where we are. I would guess without having the documentation to hand that the trailers waiting are potentially due to incomplete r incorrect declarations, and the following debates over whos responsibility it is to resolve..

Your denying the impact is significant is rediculous and incensitive to all the people who have had their lives and busiesses shattered as a result of Covid constraints - which does and has impacted trade volumes to and from both sides..
There is reports that show Covid 19 impact on freight volume for Ireland which were estimating a 40% reduction, which I would say has had significant adverse direction on Irish hauliers, and you deny it... Will be interesting to see if their predictions are correct.



YMWV

You know where our discussion started on this issue, don’t put words in my mouth, and as someone with more than my fair share of COVID issues with friends and family I don’t need preaching to about the severity of COVID!

 

[stewart]

Erm, I feel you are definitely asking the wrong person those questions, as I would not be giving you the answers you would like I fear, which in turn would give me more sh!t on here..

Feel free to give the answer.

 

[jendan]

That was October 1990. Two years after the Lancaster House Speech. And she was beginning to face difficulties from her anti European colleagues and of course her tenure on the top job was beginning to weaken - so she started to follow the dog whistle. She did combat successfully with Delours. Interestingly 30 years on the references in the speech how many have come to pass. EU meddling in health. UK forced into a SIngle European Currency. European Army. But time for that yet you will say. But UK retained the right of veto. Listen to a few of the isues from the past in those mighty speeches and what came to pass. But the UK ecomomy grew in back of EU SIngle Market. SO w embark on a voyage outside of the SIngle Market.

Interesting times. Good result yesterday but I still managed to use three sets of underpants. And two TVs one is now waiting for a new screen. Cheers.

Carroll missed two sitters.You were lucky.