Deal or No Deal - choose one option

[manhill]

TM will be my hero if she keeps no-deal on the table.
Who wants our sovereignty dictated by Airbus/Honda/Nissan/ Blair/...?
Have to go, she's about to speak soon....

 

[le bon paysan]

You did and it's in writing... or are you just pretending that didn't happen because you don't like it now? You do have form...



Clearly we are extremely stupid, or altruistic and made of sterner stuff than the snowflake brigade.

I think we are misunderstanding each other, will try better later.

 

[le bon paysan]

All of which is hardly aided by the politics and continual erosion of democracy that the EU represents.

Just tell us, how many of your toes will they step on with their 'ever closer union' before you complain it is sore?

Quite happy to see a US of Europe and have said so before.

 

[Danllan]

Quite happy to see a US of Europe and have said so before.

I am quite happy see a US of Europe if there are democratic votes supporting that in the relevant countries. But I am not happy to be a part of it, we voted to leave and that is, seemingly, being ignored by many.

 

[ollie989898]

Quite happy to see a US of Europe and have said so before.

Right, so a centralised government, totally centrally controlled fiscal and monetary policies and a central EU army?

Good luck with that. I know a good deal of people who voted remain. None of them would stand for any of the above.

 

[Henarar]

Quite happy to see a US of Europe and have said so before.

but that is not the final destination for the EU
a single state will be down the line from that
and after that where centralised power will take it goodness knows

 

[le bon paysan]

Right, so a centralised government, totally centrally controlled fiscal and monetary policies and a central EU army?

Good luck with that. I know a good deal of people who voted remain. None of them would stand for any of the above.

Like America, state taxes and federal ones.
This is my opinion, not other peoples. I would vote for it, each to their own.

 

[le bon paysan]

but that is not the final destination for the EU
a single state will be down the line from that
and after that where centralised power will take it goodness knows

From what I understand USE is where , one day, it will end up. Not a single super state.

 

[le bon paysan]

I am quite happy see a US of Europe if there are democratic votes supporting that in the relevant countries. But I am not happy to be a part of it, we voted to leave and that is, seemingly, being ignored by many.

How do you see the UK, do you want it to split or remain united?

 

[Ashtree]

How do you see the UK, do you want it to split or remain united?

If the UK is united, then I’m a Dutchman !!
There are so many fractures and splits, they are uncountable. Completely reflected in the gridlock of parliment.
It’s just a small matter of time before the last vestiges of the kingdom are sundered for ever.

The Celtic time has come. Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Cumbria and Brittany will together anchor a new golden age in a United States of Europe.
We will decide what to do with the rest of England later on. No real rush. They can wait.

 

[Henarar]

How do you see the UK, do you want it to split or remain united?

we should leave

 

[Danllan]

How do you see the UK, do you want it to split or remain united?

I am a democrat. My preference is for the UK to continue as is, but if there were majority votes for otherwise I would not contest them, regardless of the size of the majority. Because I am always a democrat, not just when it suits me.

 

[manhill]

If the UK is united, then I’m a Dutchman !!
There are so many fractures and splits, they are uncountable. Completely reflected in the gridlock of parliment.
It’s just a small matter of time before the last vestiges of the kingdom are sundered for ever.

Wot about the Manx?

The Celtic time has come. Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Cumbria and Brittany will together anchor a new golden age in a United States of Europe.
We will decide what to do with the rest of England later on. No real rush. They can wait.

 

[le bon paysan]

I am a democrat. My preference is for the UK to continue as is, but if there were majority votes for otherwise I would not contest them, regardless of the size of the majority. Because I am always a democrat, not just when it suits me.

Unlike some, I do respect the vote to leave. I don't like it, I don't want it to happen but the choice has been made.
I am struggling with the right to 'change your mind' . If another ref. was implemented surely people have the right to vote differently? Especially now that they can see how badly this is being handled, and surely you don't think it has been done well? Isn't this true democracy?

 

[Ashtree]

Unlike some, I do respect the vote to leave. I don't like it, I don't want it to happen but the choice has been made.
I am struggling with the right to 'change your mind' . If another ref. was implemented surely people have the right to vote differently? Especially now that they can see how badly this is being handled, and surely you don't think it has been done well? Isn't this true democracy?

The vote should be interpreted as “take us carefully and undamaged out of the EU”.

Thus far the journey has been utterly uncharted and wreckless in nature. Passengers indeed are entitled to yank the chain and demand the train stops, as complete derailment is pretty much inevitable. The Brexit crew should all be charged with wreckless endangerment.

 

[Danllan]

Unlike some, I do respect the vote to leave. I don't like it, I don't want it to happen but the choice has been made.
I am struggling with the right to 'change your mind' . If another ref. was implemented surely people have the right to vote differently? Especially now that they can see how badly this is being handled, and surely you don't think it has been done well? Isn't this true democracy?

Of course people can vote differently, in a democracy. But you put forward a false proposition, the whole of May's premiership and 'negotiations' regarding Brexit have been a total stitch-up by the Remain camp. If there had been a Brexit supporting PM and things were like this (a near impossibility) you could be right. But no, we have had people who didn't want Brexit sabotaging it from within i.e. TM and OR.

If you are going to tell us that a truly competent PM, e.g. Thatcher or Blair - like 'em or not - had they supported Brexit, would have made such a hash, well, I think we'd have to get a large amount of salt.

For myself, I really can not decide whether TM is the most dishonest or the most incompetent PM in history. But I am certain that it is one of the two, possibly with a touch of the other.

 

[jendan]

Of course people can vote differently, in a democracy. But you put forward a false proposition, the whole of May's premiership and 'negotiations' regarding Brexit have been a total stitch-up by the Remain camp. If there had been a Brexit supporting PM and things were like this (a near impossibility) you could be right. But no, we have had people who didn't want Brexit sabotaging it from within i.e. TM and OR.

If you are going to tell us that a truly competent PM, e.g. Thatcher or Blair - like 'em or not - had they supported Brexit, would have made such a hash, well, I think we'd have to get a large amount of salt.

For myself, I really can not decide whether TM is the most dishonest or the most incompetent PM in history. But I am certain that it is one of the two, possibly with a touch of the other.

She is trying to keep your wretched party in one piece,(which is impossible to do),and putting it above everything else,including the country.This is her mistake,and why we are where we are.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Like America, state taxes and federal ones.
This is my opinion, not other peoples. I would vote for it, each to their own.

Juncker & Salmer sending Europe's children to fight Russia with no opportunity for people's to stop them ?

You're nuts.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Unlike some, I do respect the vote to leave. I don't like it, I don't want it to happen but the choice has been made.
I am struggling with the right to 'change your mind' . If another ref. was implemented surely people have the right to vote differently? Especially now that they can see how badly this is being handled, and surely you don't think it has been done well? Isn't this true democracy?

The whole point it IS being handled badly.

Putting in the EU in charge will fix what exactly ?

I want Westminster sorted out.

That DEFINATELY won't happen with the EU in the way.

 

[Ashtree]

The whole point it IS being handled badly.

Putting in the EU in charge will fix what exactly ?

I want Westminster sorted out.

That DEFINATELY won't happen with the EU in the way.

Excuses, excuses, excuses...... if a bird shat on your head, you would blame the EU.
Facts are, of all the incompetent politicos in Europe, in every country, city, town and village, your lot are world champions. Way out in front.

You have the worst PM by a mile. Her predecessor was equally as bad. Then you have Boris and Mogg, and Corbynista ...... fudgin wreckin shop. Then you have the DUP ..... just to make absolutely sure ....

Makes our lot seem marginally competent .....