Dealership FUTURE

[Pennine Ploughing]

I never said overnight but long term I think it’s the way the world is going. There’s lots of quality research which points towards healthier humans without the quantity of meat we currently consume. Haven’t you noticed what schools are doing? - educating children down the line of fruit and vegetables not meat and sugar. The process has started without doubt.

As for the UK then yes Brexit will be our more public start down this line as we aren’t needed as farmers or food production wise. We are insignificant worldwide food production wise ..... totally and completely insignificant. Our small island wants it’s population to become healthier and to do that we need space, I.e. the countryside. Watch more parkland, walks, biking tracks etc be forced in. Rural living on your own little self sufficient plots are coming with the owners being earning top dollar in the cities but working from home utilising the 5 then 6G networks.

The vegan movement is real, very real. It’s the Isis of the agricultural world. Watch.

I eat meat every day, and will continue to do so,
however like it or not, the above will be very close to that in 60 years from now,
not long ago,who would of thought there will be on petrol or diesel cars made after 2040, which is what is talked about now

 

[Roger Perry]

Anyone who underestimates the growing number of people who refuse to eat meat are somehow denying the truth, it's a huge surge in meat free diets...........ok, maybe Britain is a little behind the trend (personally doubt it) ,,,,,,,but this is a tidal wave that cannot be stopped.

A better educated better paid population equals better nutrition, healthier lifestyle and less red meat.

 

[warksfarmer]

Anyone who underestimates the growing number of people who refuse to eat meat are somehow denying the truth, it's a huge surge in meat free diets...........ok, maybe Britain is a little behind the trend (personally doubt it) ,,,,,,,but this is a tidal wave that cannot be stopped.

A better educated better paid population equals better nutrition, healthier lifestyle and less red meat.

Precisely. Many people don’t bother looking outside of their own parish let alone world wide and many still think of the British Empire. Both are outdated uneducated views.

If you don’t accept change and move with the times you are finished.

 

[Tarw Coch]

How old are you?

The coming generations will be eating organic and far far less meat. You and I might not alter much but you sit and watch what’s going to happen.

Anyone who underestimates the growing number of people who refuse to eat meat are somehow denying the truth, it's a huge surge in meat free diets...........ok, maybe Britain is a little behind the trend (personally doubt it) ,,,,,,,but this is a tidal wave that cannot be stopped.

A better educated better paid population equals better nutrition, healthier lifestyle and less red meat.

when I was a lad out on the town on a Saturday night some 30 years ago the town had a couple of chippys, a Chinese, an Indian and a pizza parlour, all of which would be shut by closing time.
Today there's 3 Indians, a couple of Chinese and countless burger/kebab shops, at least one of which is open until 4.30 am as well as a Burger King, American diner and KFC on the edge of town. By and large most of the trade for these food establishments comes from younger folk and most of what they are selling is meat based. So whilst there are vegetarians/vegans out there and quite probably more than when I was a lad, the majority of youngsters are still meat eaters and judging by what they're eating not necessarily more healthily than a generation ago. And whilst some might say it's just after a skinful on a Saturday night, there's no denying there's considerably more of these type of food establishments in towns up and down the country, presumably doing enough trade to keep themselves in business.
Heck, only a couple of weeks ago the country nearly went into meltdown when KFC couldn't get enough chicken.
I bet even they didn't think of blaming it on the lack of AG machinery dealers!

 

[Cowabunga]

When the dealer’s got the temerity to add delivery charges (and not insignificant) to a non-stock order, then they could at least deliver it to my door, rather than making me drive there and pick it up.

The whole industry is in for a massive shakedown with Brexit, farmer numbers dropping, far lower unit sales, increased unit cost, labour rates and competition from online and elsewhere. It’s not a game you’d want to get into. Neither is farming for that matter.

I agree. I foresee livestock farm numbers dropping to half the current number within ten years with all that implies to the agricultural supply and services trade. Rural regions of the UK, like West Wales, that are already severely disadvantaged and well below average national household income levels will fall way further behind again with the knock-on effect on towns and villages in the region. I foresee a rapid depopulation of working age people in these areas, only partly being replaced by more pensioners retiring from wealthier areas, taking advantage of the ever widening difference in property values.
On top of everything, Corbin is very likely to win the next election and put a tax on land and property that very few will be able to afford to pay, which will put even more of the rural economy to death.
It looks bleak and I have come to realise that I really should have sold up four or five years ago.

 

[Roger Perry]

Then maybe Britain is the laggard here, all fast food joints here offer full meat free/healthy living vegetarian type menus..........its the fastest growing sector.

 

[Roger Perry]

Growing Blueberries will be much more profitable than growing livestock.

 

[Cowabunga]

Then maybe Britain is the laggard here, all fast food joints here offer full meat free/healthy living vegetarian type menus..........its the fastest growing sector.

Well it would be. Its not easy to grow from, say 98% of the population being customers, compared to adding to a 2% share. You could make great claims about doubling your base, but it would still be only 4% of the total market.

 

[Speedstar]

Growing Blueberries will be much more profitable than growing livestock.

Can you grow them and harvest them with a drone ?

 

[warksfarmer]

when I was a lad out on the town on a Saturday night some 30 years ago the town had a couple of chippys, a Chinese, an Indian and a pizza parlour, all of which would be shut by closing time.
Today there's 3 Indians, a couple of Chinese and countless burger/kebab shops, at least one of which is open until 4.30 am as well as a Burger King, American diner and KFC on the edge of town. By and large most of the trade for these food establishments comes from younger folk and most of what they are selling is meat based. So whilst there are vegetarians/vegans out there and quite probably more than when I was a lad, the majority of youngsters are still meat eaters and judging by what they're eating not necessarily more healthily than a generation ago. And whilst some might say it's just after a skinful on a Saturday night, there's no denying there's considerably more of these type of food establishments in towns up and down the country, presumably doing enough trade to keep themselves in business.
Heck, only a couple of weeks ago the country nearly went into meltdown when KFC couldn't get enough chicken.
I bet even they didn't think of blaming it on the lack of AG machinery dealers!

Yes today maybe and I never said overnight but it’s coming whether you like it or not. Livestock production as we know it is finished.

 

[warksfarmer]

Then maybe Britain is the laggard here, all fast food joints here offer full meat free/healthy living vegetarian type menus..........its the fastest growing sector.

This is exactly what’s happening worldwide gradually but at an ever increasing rate. The farmers of rural Britain that only read the farmers weekly, go to market or look in on this forum have no idea what’s coming to get them.

 

[warksfarmer]

Can you grow them and harvest them with a drone ?

You will be able to yes.

The first step to a healthier population is to get them onto an alkaline diet which doesn’t feature meat/dairy/sugar/processed food etc. Many ailments can be dispensed with of the body is the upper side of the ph scale.

Not noticed the likes of McDonald’s slowly shifting to health foods? Not seen the ever increasing vegetarian options on menus everywhere?
What about the much larger fruit and veg areas in supermarkets?

The world has been previously controlled by medicine and fast/processed foods. They are chicken and egg.

Step out of that cycle and increase the health of people is where we are going.

And by the way I’m neither vegetarian or vegan but I am realistic and watch what’s going on outside of our little island.

 

[Speedstar]

Think the other half of the world that has no food to eat may have something to say ,yes farming will change but not as fast as you think,the technology to grow food in a test tube to feed the world is a long way off

 

[Farma Parma]

I never said overnight but long term I think it’s the way the world is going. There’s lots of quality research which points towards healthier humans without the quantity of meat we currently consume. Haven’t you noticed what schools are doing? - educating children down the line of fruit and vegetables not meat and sugar. The process has started without doubt.

As for the UK then yes Brexit will be our more public start down this line as we aren’t needed as farmers or food production wise. We are insignificant worldwide food production wise ..... totally and completely insignificant. Our small island wants it’s population to become healthier and to do that we need space, I.e. the countryside. Watch more parkland, walks, biking tracks etc be forced in. Rural living on your own little self sufficient plots are coming with the owners being earning top dollar in the cities but working from home utilising the 5 then 6G networks.

The vegan movement is real, very real. It’s the Isis of the agricultural world. Watch.

Hey am no doubting you most have some positive facts about this meat situation but each to there own.
i like eating meat & not everyday most cert no over kill here.
I dont farm animals anymore personally, maybes seeing iam a cereal grower am partly vegan allready

 

[Mf6480]

So with all this very nice lifestyle with no meat and organic food - what does the dealer look to offer there customers- seems the thread has gone of track !

 

[Martin Holden]

I agree. I foresee livestock farm numbers dropping to half the current number within ten years with all that implies to the agricultural supply and services trade. Rural regions of the UK, like West Wales, that are already severely disadvantaged and well below average national household income levels will fall way further behind again with the knock-on effect on towns and villages in the region. I foresee a rapid depopulation of working age people in these areas, only partly being replaced by more pensioners retiring from wealthier areas, taking advantage of the ever widening difference in property values.
On top of everything, Corbin is very likely to win the next election and put a tax on land and property that very few will be able to afford to pay, which will put even more of the rural economy to death.
It looks bleak and I have come to realise that I really should have sold up four or five years ago.

I fear you maybe right about more rural areas which is a crying Shame. We should be able to produce food anywhere in our island and sell it here, so reducing food miles. Could we see Dairy farmer numbers down to 5000 holdings in the future?

 

[Cowabunga]

I fear you maybe right about more rural areas which is a crying Shame. We should be able to produce food anywhere in our island and sell it here, so reducing food miles. Could we see Dairy farmer numbers down to 5000 holdings in the future?

With all the environmental and legislative pressures piling on to net income pressures, I can see numbers falling at an accelerated rate. Our milk buyers know that if the price hits 25ppl for more than a couple of months this year, a large number of producers will be leaving the industry as soon as this Autumn, yet lower prices than this may well come to pass in the next few months after an eight month Winter where funds have not been recovered from the downturn two years ago yet.

 

[B&B Pig Man]

Can we try and get this back to the original question about the future of dealerships etc please - the vegan future is a very interesting topic, and well worth a topic of its own.

I don’t want to have to split this thread down into two, so if we can get this back on track, and then perhaps somebody could start another regarding the other.

 

[Drillman]

So with all this very nice lifestyle with no meat and organic food - what does the dealer look to offer there customers- seems the thread has gone of track !

Maybe the dealers could diversify into selling open toed sandals and beard trimmers for the organic/vegan brigade

see what i did there.... kept it on topic and still mentioned the "V" word @B&B Pig Man will be proud of me

 

[Cowabunga]

Can we try and get this back to the original question about the future of dealerships etc please - the vegan future is a very interesting topic, and well worth a topic of its own.

I don’t want to have to split this thread down into two, so if we can get this back on track, and then perhaps somebody could start another regarding the other.

It has a very direct bearing on the future of dealerships serving the industry. Fewer active farms and farmers and higher productivity requires fewer dealerships. Indeed the viability of dealerships and the manufacturers themselves that supply the equipment, depends entirely on having a prosperous agriculture. You can follow the fortunes of companies like Massey Ferguson, which is traditionally highly leveraged, and you will find that it ebbs and flows in direct relation to regional and international agricultural fortunes.

Never forget that all those allied industries, dealerships and merchants, all depend on farmers that are willing and able to spend money and, more importantly, pay their bills.