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Christoph1945
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Is it ultraviolet?
No. It's made by Diall, says B22 LED Daylight on the box. Box is black and purple. Can't use with a dimmer switch.
Wouldn't describe it as a relaxing type of illumination, though.
Christoph1945
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I think that it tricks the brain into thinking it's summer time and it produces some feel-good chemicals. I will have to google it and see what is actually going on and if it's any good.
As for me; feeling a wee bit better and being somewhat more mobile, I slipped into town for some shopping this morning and returned forty minuets later to find the wife stripping the beds
. Got the good lady back into bed; only after she had taken a tumble whilst trying to tuck in a fitted sheet.
Just finished a third load of washing and pinned it out on the rotary drier but am not too happy with the look of the overcast moving in from the west!
Got to dash...............fourth load needs popping into the washing machine.
As for me; feeling a wee bit better and being somewhat more mobile, I slipped into town for some shopping this morning and returned forty minuets later to find the wife stripping the beds
. Got the good lady back into bed; only after she had taken a tumble whilst trying to tuck in a fitted sheet. Just finished a third load of washing and pinned it out on the rotary drier but am not too happy with the look of the overcast moving in from the west!
Got to dash...............fourth load needs popping into the washing machine.
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How are you doing now?
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Have you tried taking 5HTP? I used to take it in the winter and it really helped me a lot.
https://www.naturesbest.co.uk/rest-sleep-cailres/
Natures best are really good, I buy from them all the time
Christoph1945
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Very often anxiety/depression will cause us to wake in the early hours of the morning and then find difficulty in getting back to sleep. My wife recons that she counts sheep; strange for a none farming lady! My mother-in-law always said that she counted her blessings and would realize just how much she had to be thankful for.
Me; I have learned to count breaths.................one......and......two......and. Slow steady breathing...........in on the number and out on the and. If and when thoughts break in, I don't struggle against them but just relax and continue to count. Works well for mild anxiety, or getting back to sleep after getting up in the night for a wee. Not so effective for major anxiety and abject night terrors.............been there and eventually discovered that there is a way through.
An old acquaintance of mine, who was a Christian and believed that Satan goaded us with anxiety and foreboding to keep us troubled and awake, would advise reading the bible and because Satan didn't want us to read the good book you will soon go to sleep. You may want to take that with a pinch of salt though!
Read this last week and was moved to pass it on. . . one who seeks perfection in their friends is soon without friends.
Chris
Me; I have learned to count breaths.................one......and......two......and. Slow steady breathing...........in on the number and out on the and. If and when thoughts break in, I don't struggle against them but just relax and continue to count. Works well for mild anxiety, or getting back to sleep after getting up in the night for a wee. Not so effective for major anxiety and abject night terrors.............been there and eventually discovered that there is a way through.
An old acquaintance of mine, who was a Christian and believed that Satan goaded us with anxiety and foreboding to keep us troubled and awake, would advise reading the bible and because Satan didn't want us to read the good book you will soon go to sleep. You may want to take that with a pinch of salt though!
Read this last week and was moved to pass it on. . . one who seeks perfection in their friends is soon without friends.
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Wife takes 5 HTP and it works well. She used to take it with St John's Wort, the mix just seemed to work even better for her, but SJW is thought to have effects on eyesight and as she has eye defects in the family she thought it best to drop that.Have you tried taking 5HTP? I used to take it in the winter and it really helped me a lot.
https://www.naturesbest.co.uk/rest-sleep-cailres/
Natures best are really good, I buy from them all the time
SJW also affects blood pressure, apparently.
Very often anxiety/depression will cause us to wake in the early hours of the morning and then find difficulty in getting back to sleep. My wife recons that she counts sheep; strange for a none farming lady! My mother-in-law always said that she counted her blessings and would realize just how much she had to be thankful for.
An old acquaintance of mine, who was a Christian and believed that Satan goaded us with anxiety and foreboding to keep us troubled and awake, would advise reading the bible and because Satan didn't want us to read the good book you will soon go to sleep. You may want to take that with a pinch of salt though!
Read this last week and was moved to pass it on. . . one who seeks perfection in their friends is soon without friends.
Chris
I find that praying helps, for more or less the same reasoning (do I know you?!). If God has woken you then it's because He wants you to pray about something that needs praying about right now. If satan has woken you then praying is the last thing he wants you to do, so he won't try that again.
Christoph1945
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Do you know me? I think not! Perhaps many years ago, your great grandpa and mine may have passed, unknowingly, on the street. Both my paternal grandparents came from the old country; one from Mayo and one from Cork. I never met either, they died long before I could do so. I did meet great uncle Pat once or twice in passing. He was a strongly violent man (in drink) who fought for the British in South Africa.
I believe that we share the same God and have a brother in the Prophet of Nazareth.
I love the Jewish concept of starting one's day at sundown. I think it was St Paul that wrote "Let not the sun go down on your wrath (anger)".
Stay safe, stay well, and keep your faith!
I believe that we share the same God and have a brother in the Prophet of Nazareth.
I love the Jewish concept of starting one's day at sundown. I think it was St Paul that wrote "Let not the sun go down on your wrath (anger)".
Stay safe, stay well, and keep your faith!
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I was on that for a time, helped my mental issues. Thankfully better, sort of manageable anyway. SJW makes the skin more susceptible to burning by the sun, so I got very brown in summer, dangerous cancer risk tho. You have to take it for a while to reap the benefits. Don't feed it to sheep/animals tho, it is poison to them...
Yeah I suffer from SAD in winter, so I tend to take 5htp, although not as bad as it was. I had a mental breakdown in 2012 and developed SAD round that time, or it was underlying and got worse, since then it's been very bad, but in the past year it's bearable...
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Good thanks, I'm on holiday
Christoph1945
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Somewhere nice n warm?
@Christoph1945, you asked "What happens if you ask him why he was asking and what was he thinking about the subject in question; or would that completely chuck a spanner in the works? "
To be honest, it would be a complete waste of time. Yes he could probably compute the question but never in a month of Sundays has he the ability to actually give you an answer. For a start he hasn't got the capacity of language to reply plus he's human with the basic avoidance of having to stretch himself with the tediousness of thinking about an answer.
I know it sounds corny but over the past 20 years I've had to come to terms with bringing up my son who is different to the "norm", whatever that means. Privately to myself I've allways prided myself on being a good stockman, seems that previous employers thought so too but I prefer to keep it to myself. Raising Josh has been like lookng after an animal, they can't talk to you in the way people communicate, you read their body language, you get to know them and that way you "know" what they want. Yes Josh and I have communication but it's not like a "normal" father/son relationship, we can read each other and I find it amazing that when others care or teach him they can "tune in" to him when they stop trying to be conventional. I have had some battles with those that insist on doing everything by the book, in these cases Josh can put them down and in their place as he knows his own mind and can run rings around them. He will only do what he wants to do, we've all had dealings with that old ewe or milking cow that has got under your skin to be your fravourite, they can leave you exasperated at their actions and then the next minute they're the best thing since sliced bread.
Life will allways have its ups and downs, it's just how you deal with the downs, how you can keep the down thoughts at bay between the high times. Brooding on the low times is when the Black Dog has a free rein, he will allways be there and often he will be your only companion as life can be lonely even with others around you.
That's enough maudling philosophy for tonight, there's another cup of tea to be made
To be honest, it would be a complete waste of time. Yes he could probably compute the question but never in a month of Sundays has he the ability to actually give you an answer. For a start he hasn't got the capacity of language to reply plus he's human with the basic avoidance of having to stretch himself with the tediousness of thinking about an answer.
I know it sounds corny but over the past 20 years I've had to come to terms with bringing up my son who is different to the "norm", whatever that means. Privately to myself I've allways prided myself on being a good stockman, seems that previous employers thought so too but I prefer to keep it to myself. Raising Josh has been like lookng after an animal, they can't talk to you in the way people communicate, you read their body language, you get to know them and that way you "know" what they want. Yes Josh and I have communication but it's not like a "normal" father/son relationship, we can read each other and I find it amazing that when others care or teach him they can "tune in" to him when they stop trying to be conventional. I have had some battles with those that insist on doing everything by the book, in these cases Josh can put them down and in their place as he knows his own mind and can run rings around them. He will only do what he wants to do, we've all had dealings with that old ewe or milking cow that has got under your skin to be your fravourite, they can leave you exasperated at their actions and then the next minute they're the best thing since sliced bread.
Life will allways have its ups and downs, it's just how you deal with the downs, how you can keep the down thoughts at bay between the high times. Brooding on the low times is when the Black Dog has a free rein, he will allways be there and often he will be your only companion as life can be lonely even with others around you.
That's enough maudling philosophy for tonight, there's another cup of tea to be made
dstudent
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@JWL you are such a lovely person, I m full of admiration for you, this world can t be that bad with a person like you in it@Christoph1945, you asked "What happens if you ask him why he was asking and what was he thinking about the subject in question; or would that completely chuck a spanner in the works? "
To be honest, it would be a complete waste of time. Yes he could probably compute the question but never in a month of Sundays has he the ability to actually give you an answer. For a start he hasn't got the capacity of language to reply plus he's human with the basic avoidance of having to stretch himself with the tediousness of thinking about an answer.
I know it sounds corny but over the past 20 years I've had to come to terms with bringing up my son who is different to the "norm", whatever that means. Privately to myself I've allways prided myself on being a good stockman, seems that previous employers thought so too but I prefer to keep it to myself. Raising Josh has been like lookng after an animal, they can't talk to you in the way people communicate, you read their body language, you get to know them and that way you "know" what they want. Yes Josh and I have communication but it's not like a "normal" father/son relationship, we can read each other and I find it amazing that when others care or teach him they can "tune in" to him when they stop trying to be conventional. I have had some battles with those that insist on doing everything by the book, in these cases Josh can put them down and in their place as he knows his own mind and can run rings around them. He will only do what he wants to do, we've all had dealings with that old ewe or milking cow that has got under your skin to be your fravourite, they can leave you exasperated at their actions and then the next minute they're the best thing since sliced bread.
Life will allways have its ups and downs, it's just how you deal with the downs, how you can keep the down thoughts at bay between the high times. Brooding on the low times is when the Black Dog has a free rein, he will allways be there and often he will be your only companion as life can be lonely even with others around you.
That's enough maudling philosophy for tonight, there's another cup of tea to be made
Christoph1945
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Morning @JWL,
Just stumbled out o' bed n given the wife her breakfast. I overslept, missed the sunrise, and have missed several hours of wash drying time.
Thank you for your very honest, open, and frank reply; you have humbled me and I admire your fortitude. What sort of things can Josh do and what does he gain enjoyment from; if enjoyment is the correct word? How is his brother and do they get on?
I once knew a man who was born with cerebral palsy and the doctors told his parent to have him put in a home; he would only ever be a cabbage. Alyn knew all that was going on around him for years but it was only when he managed to learn to speak that things changed and people recognized the prisoner inside his broken body. He would remain a paraplegic for all of his life and would have to rely on others for all his bodily needs but would go on to study theology at St John's Nottingham and gain a degree in theology.
I hope you enjoyed that cup o' tea and a well earned break. Me; I can't stand the stuff and if the wife should give me the wrong cup I'm desperately looking for somewhere to spit the darned stuff out. Could probably manage a cup of weak Earl Gray with a splash of milk and no sugar!
Just stumbled out o' bed n given the wife her breakfast. I overslept, missed the sunrise, and have missed several hours of wash drying time.
Thank you for your very honest, open, and frank reply; you have humbled me and I admire your fortitude. What sort of things can Josh do and what does he gain enjoyment from; if enjoyment is the correct word? How is his brother and do they get on?
I once knew a man who was born with cerebral palsy and the doctors told his parent to have him put in a home; he would only ever be a cabbage. Alyn knew all that was going on around him for years but it was only when he managed to learn to speak that things changed and people recognized the prisoner inside his broken body. He would remain a paraplegic for all of his life and would have to rely on others for all his bodily needs but would go on to study theology at St John's Nottingham and gain a degree in theology.
I hope you enjoyed that cup o' tea and a well earned break. Me; I can't stand the stuff and if the wife should give me the wrong cup I'm desperately looking for somewhere to spit the darned stuff out. Could probably manage a cup of weak Earl Gray with a splash of milk and no sugar!
Being a carer is not being a 'hero', we are just normal people who have stepped up to put someone else first. It's not difficult, a stockman will do it everyday, it's when caring is treated as a chore or a job then that's when things turn sour. Being realistic is a necessity, you're not there as the 'hero', you're there to look after, help, prompt, just generally feed and water.
The question of does my son have any 'special powers' does come up from time to time. We have all seen on telly the kid who could draw the London skyline accurately after a 10 second glance, we've seen Dustin Hoffman reciting names, addresses and numbers from phonebooks in the Rain Man. This is more associated with Asperger's Syndrome, another type of Autism, these are people on the Autistic Scale who are deemed to be 'super intelligent', commonly known as the Rain Man Theory, yes these people exist but it doesn't happen with all Autistic people.
Everyone has Autistic traits, the touch of OCD, doing things the same way as they feel comfortable with that, that's falling into a safe routine along the lines you'll resist any changes to your preferred method of operation. To get a full blown diagnosis for Autism used to be nigh near impossible as it's not a cut and dried diagnosis. A person has to 'tick' boxes in three different categories of behaviour and traits, but the ticked boxes are in certain ratios and ticking one in one catagory can cancel two in another.
The biggest trait of Autism is that the person is oblivious to how their actions can affect other people, they find it hard to get affected themselves by other people's emotions.
When things are going all tits up and the world is falling apart around me, say I've dropped the whole pile of crockery on the way back from the dishwasher then Josh would be there like a shot and be rolling on the floor in hysterics, laughing his head off. Yes you could lose the plot but it's the tone of his laugh, he genuinely finds it funny CV and his laugh will have that tone to it that toddlers have that makes their laughing so infectious.
Yes there is a lot 'trapped' away inside Josh but the biggest thing that he puts across which people take a little time to see then kick themselves as it's so bloody obvious is that because he has so few ambitions, he finds no need for objects around him, he is content to have food and water with a comfortable environment, think of well cared for livestock, he is happy and takes each day as it comes without anxiety or expectations and no worries. That's where I come in!
I hope the diatribe above helps explain a little of Autism, there is a lot more awareness than there used to be but it was at the detriment of being a "fashionable" condition a few years ago, there is no 'cure' as nobody can actually say what Autism is as it's not an illness, you can't point a finger at a picture of someone and say they're Autistic, there's just a part of the brain that hasn't unlocked like the majority of others around them. I will admit to be secretly jealous of Josh at times, he's got quite a wicked sense of humour and is more than capable of setting people up for a fall and when he does laugh properly he has that ability to make everyone laugh, that toddler effect that we lose as we grow up.
The question of does my son have any 'special powers' does come up from time to time. We have all seen on telly the kid who could draw the London skyline accurately after a 10 second glance, we've seen Dustin Hoffman reciting names, addresses and numbers from phonebooks in the Rain Man. This is more associated with Asperger's Syndrome, another type of Autism, these are people on the Autistic Scale who are deemed to be 'super intelligent', commonly known as the Rain Man Theory, yes these people exist but it doesn't happen with all Autistic people.
Everyone has Autistic traits, the touch of OCD, doing things the same way as they feel comfortable with that, that's falling into a safe routine along the lines you'll resist any changes to your preferred method of operation. To get a full blown diagnosis for Autism used to be nigh near impossible as it's not a cut and dried diagnosis. A person has to 'tick' boxes in three different categories of behaviour and traits, but the ticked boxes are in certain ratios and ticking one in one catagory can cancel two in another.
The biggest trait of Autism is that the person is oblivious to how their actions can affect other people, they find it hard to get affected themselves by other people's emotions.
When things are going all tits up and the world is falling apart around me, say I've dropped the whole pile of crockery on the way back from the dishwasher then Josh would be there like a shot and be rolling on the floor in hysterics, laughing his head off. Yes you could lose the plot but it's the tone of his laugh, he genuinely finds it funny CV and his laugh will have that tone to it that toddlers have that makes their laughing so infectious.
Yes there is a lot 'trapped' away inside Josh but the biggest thing that he puts across which people take a little time to see then kick themselves as it's so bloody obvious is that because he has so few ambitions, he finds no need for objects around him, he is content to have food and water with a comfortable environment, think of well cared for livestock, he is happy and takes each day as it comes without anxiety or expectations and no worries. That's where I come in!
I hope the diatribe above helps explain a little of Autism, there is a lot more awareness than there used to be but it was at the detriment of being a "fashionable" condition a few years ago, there is no 'cure' as nobody can actually say what Autism is as it's not an illness, you can't point a finger at a picture of someone and say they're Autistic, there's just a part of the brain that hasn't unlocked like the majority of others around them. I will admit to be secretly jealous of Josh at times, he's got quite a wicked sense of humour and is more than capable of setting people up for a fall and when he does laugh properly he has that ability to make everyone laugh, that toddler effect that we lose as we grow up.
Christoph1945
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Having read, re-read, and read again your reply; I am move to much thought and contemplation. Thank you for the open and frank reply.
Do you know me? I think not! Perhaps many years ago, your great grandpa and mine may have passed, unknowingly, on the street. Both my paternal grandparents came from the old country; one from Mayo and one from Cork. I never met either, they died long before I could do so. I did meet great uncle Pat once or twice in passing. He was a strongly violent man (in drink) who fought for the British in South Africa.
I believe that we share the same God and have a brother in the Prophet of Nazareth.
I love the Jewish concept of starting one's day at sundown. I think it was St Paul that wrote "Let not the sun go down on your wrath (anger)".
Stay safe, stay well, and keep your faith!
We must be cousins then
, brother