Do we need to bring back the NRA

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Not arguing at all. We are just inundated. My only issue in our case is the lack of maintenance of our delph it has been allowed to silt up reducing its water holding capacity

Didn't think you were arguing. Just wondering whether it would make much difference. Lincolnshire has received in 45 days about 1.8 billion cubic metres of rainfall. Everywhere is totally saturated. We would like to drill some more wheat. I get the impression a few consider it would be totally different if the main arterial drains/rivers were a few inches deeper. I am just not so sure, that is all.

Cheers,
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Didn't think you were arguing. Just wondering whether it would make much difference. Lincolnshire has received in 45 days about 1.8 billion cubic metres of rainfall. Everywhere is totally saturated. We would like to drill some more wheat. I get the impression a few consider it would be totally different if the main arterial drains/rivers were a few inches deeper. I am just not so sure, that is all.

Cheers,

Our ditches were overflowing yesterday. By today they are down to nearly normal. So that to me says that it has still been able to move lower than us. Flooded spots yesterday are clear, so it is moving downstream. 2012 there was nowhere downstream for it to go. None of our ditches are EA or IDB, thank goodness. Although we are fairly low down, the boundary to the south is a high ridge, so mostly it's only my water that runs into "my" ditches.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Here in the Roden Tern river area there has been no maint;)enance done since the NRA finished. The rivers are shockingly neglected . Even my neighbouring farmers dont do anything. I do drag fallen trees out about once a year but I think I am the only one who does, One of my friends works for the EA and he says the level of apathy and incompetence is scary.

See my message above yours... :LOL:

Tern is now working a lot better, and just needs that digger I mention...
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Problem is quick run off from developed sites, industrial estates housing developments etc.
Water is getting into the rivers far quicker than it used to leading to more flooding

See Sheffield this week... and 2007! Vast sealed area with valleys at the bottom, often with watercourses (some now piped) at the bottom, and a nightmare arrives for teh poor sods. Add to that the clever policy of building on flood plains in the past, and you have the perfect disaster in the making...
 

digger64

Member
But it cannot get out of the Grcapacity ice at Boston quicker than already. As I recall, tough stand to be corrected, not a pumped outfall, so reliant on tidal range for outflow. So shooting down the Witham any faster not really of use.

You say unprecedented. And that I suggest is the salient point. 250mm or more rain locally in some cases in 45 days. Has there been a similar period of rainfall in past 60 years? Given that and that since June 10th been another 300mm rain to me the arterial drainage system is working quite well. I appreciate no one will agree with me. Hey ho.
If it was going down the river faster the surrounding land would have more absorbing capacity so yes will still get flooding but not as prolonged , I think grass and wheat will survive short periods of being submerged , but much longer and becomes a vicious circle with marsh type land it just becomes inert and life less like a puddle on a hard road . Back flowing is the problem , I known them put the sluice gates in at the mill in flood to save residential areas but this is pointless if the flood plain is already full of water as the river just reverts to its natural course .
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Wonder what the paperwork to get all the dredged silt spread a foot deep on my fields would be like......

That silt would surely help condition your clay. Dad a hired a scraper box and driver back in the 1970's and mixed some of the clay and sand areas of the farm. It worked to some extent. With a good driver we ended up with loam. With a bad driver we ended up with a foot of clay where there used to be sand. The earth mover scraper machine weighed about 120 tonnes full up on 4 wheels. God only knows how much compaction it put into the subsoil!
 

digger64

Member
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Farmers need to club together and form their own internal drainage board.
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They wont , the creation of wet holes in river valleys is going to be the next money for nothing windfall from the government for some landowners
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
That silt would surely help condition your clay. Dad a hired a scraper box and driver back in the 1970's and mixed some of the clay and sand areas of the farm. It worked to some extent. With a good driver we ended up with loam. With a bad driver we ended up with a foot of clay where there used to be sand. The earth mover scraper machine weighed about 120 tonnes full up on 4 wheels. God only knows how much compaction it put into the subsoil!

They dry-warped a big chunk of Hatfield Chase iirc.

My existing farm was done similar with old beet lime and a bulldozer. You can still see it in the soil indices and workability 50 years later.

-edit- also Lindholme dry warped. Think they carted it there in little trains.
 
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turbo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
Question

why do rivers / drains need cleaning out ?
where is all this silt & “mud” coming from in the first place ?
doesn’t seem anyone has asked that
Most of it is from the rotten vegetation that hasn’t been cleaned out properly for years
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Question

why do rivers / drains need cleaning out ?
where is all this silt & “mud” coming from in the first place ?
doesn’t seem anyone has asked that

From bare overworked soils that swill into the watercourses. We need to reassess our management of these soils. I am surrounded by quite steeply sloping bare soils. I am constantly scooping my upstream neighbours soils out of my watercourses. I try to maintain a cover at all times. But not many people do that.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
You see people cutting "grips" from wet areas of the fields into watercourses. A channel along the surface from a wet area into watercourse. then people wonder why watercourse silted up. All wrong . New approach needed.

Most stewardship schemes, rightly, tell you not to grip off water. It's laden with fine clay particles and particulate phosphates. I have a "helpful" local who insists on doing this for me, then I have to patiently wait and go fill it back in. Older generation. Won't be told.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
IMO every watercourse should have a 25m grass buffer zone. It would work well here anyway. Maize for AD plants should be banned. Just based on what I see travelling around the county. Maize in wet Autumn equals swill your top soil into the dyke.

It won't be long until 12m watercourse grass buffers are compulsory. Be a nightmare keeping pikeys off. I read it used to be historically done in perhaps Hereford and hay made around arable fields. Wide enough to turn a horse and plough.
 

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