Doesn't make it alright

[Lowland1]

Oh it is absolutely true. The minority groups are pushed hard at the expense of the majority. The majority’s views are not allowed to be spoken otherwise it’s racist or homophobic or whatever else. You just are clearly unable to see it.

I think you need to look up persecution.

 

[robs1]

Anti gypsy bigotry is one of my least favourite parts of British agriculture.

If you have been on the receiving end of this scum you wouldn't have a good word to say about them. Local garage loses stock to them every single day, they just walk in and take stuff without a word being said, as they just smash the place up if spoken to, local camp of them had a population of about 40/50 every single male had a criminal record . They attacked the local pub landlord and steal from local farms and non farm businesses alike, they drove the guy who owns a motorbike shop into a mental hospital.
My best friend moved to Ireland and says they are despised there just as much, they think they are untouchable which they are as the police won't go into any of the local camps.
99% of them are scum

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

If you have been on the receiving end of this scum you wouldn't have a good word to say about them. Local garage loses stock to them every single day, they just walk in and take stuff without a word being said, as they just smash the place up if spoken to, local camp of them had a population of about 40/50 every single male had a criminal record . They attacked the local pub landlord and steal from local farms and non farm businesses alike, they drove the guy who owns a motorbike shop into a mental hospital.
My best friend moved to Ireland and says they are despised there just as much, they think they are untouchable which they are as the police won't go into any of the local camps.
99% of them are scum

Unfortunately true. We get hundreds round here on the way to the Appleby fair. Total law unto themselves.

 

[BuskhillFarm]

Our agri minister is actually gay, can’t get more inclusive than that. This is the most pointless thread I’ve seen on here in a while and that’s saying something.

 

[merino]

Our agri minister is actually gay, can’t get more inclusive than that. This is the most pointless thread I’ve seen on here in a while and that’s saying something.

So you have zero problem with robs1 comments there?

 

[bluebell]

Robs1 you are so so right, what about the poor young policeman who happened to be called out the night that lot were out stealing a quadbike, he got tangled up in a rope and was dragged for a long time up a road, i looked into that case when it come out, apparently the govt, spent alot of time and money with the motor safety institute to see if you could not be "aware" of having a person or any living thing caught up and Inocently towed it? No they said? Those what would you call them "scum" showed no remorse and got legal aid costing us lot the tax payer many thousands of pounds? Yes i dont ike them?

 

[bluebell]

Contrast the two, on one hand a young brave poiceman that just got married with everthing to look forward to, doing a job that most of us would, could not do? The other lot, no morals, no "worth", no respect, going out daily to rob, steal, ruin intimidate, target older vunerable people by doing substandard jobs? then charging fortunes and getting paid by "menice" and they wonder why they are hated?

 

[merino]

Contrast the two, on one hand a young brave poiceman that just got married with everthing to look forward to, doing a job that most of us would, could not do? The other lot, no morals, no "worth", no respect, going out daily to rob, steal, ruin intimidate, target older vunerable people by doing substandard jobs? then charging fortunes and getting paid by "menice" and they wonder why they are hated?

Why does this always happen on these threads?

You're disparaging a group that is protected.

 

[soapsud]

Why does this always happen on these threads?

You're disparaging a group that is protected.

How old are you?
I'm not being ageist but you profile says your from the NE. You don't sound it?

 

[primmiemoo]

You've just been complaining of intolerance on this thread and yet go and post this? If you're gonna just have knives out for everyone what is the point of even using a discussion forum? That's just going to descend into a poisonous snake pit, surely.

But the determinedly, intransigently, disingenuously intolerant in a society are the problem. I'm not suggesting that present company is badly infected by this ~ TFF is a warmly well run and attended forum ~ but nevertheless, keeping watch for, and responding appropriately to, incidences when that intolerance pops up is a part of quality control.

 

[yoki]

But the determinedly, intransigently, disingenuously intolerant in a society are the problem. I'm not suggesting that present company is badly infected by this ~ TFF is a warmly well run and attended forum ~ but nevertheless, keeping watch for, and responding appropriately to, incidences when that intolerance pops up is a part of quality control.

That's all well and good but pointing out the inherent problems with something is not intolerance.

And it does no cause any good when the people promoting it simply start pointing the finger and shouting "intolerance" at those asking the questions, rather than making any attempt to answer the questions.

Such behaviour only causes or increases resentment and division as opposed to promoting inclusivity.

*edit* - that's not aimed at yourself by the way, we may not agree on much but I respect that you will always argue your case and in a respectful fashion.

 

[primmiemoo]

Seems an odd thread to be started by someone who spends more time calling other people names than anyone else here, just because they have a different opinion to yours. Such a shame when you evidently have the best interests of ag at heart and a good level of knowledge and experience.

I dunno. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, absolutely, but when that opinion is at odds with how the world really is, that's where discrimination and all the other negatives begin. In farming terms, the bully bullock would get a dap on the nose to remind him he's not boss (whilst he's never not going to be a Bos). He will never have the capability to understand what his behaviour does to the rest of the group.

The vast majority of humans have that capacity. When it's overridden by actions of bullies (they don't have to be consciously bullies) who hide behind their right to opinion, there's trouble.

 

[robs1]

Why does this always happen on these threads?

You're disparaging a group that is protected.

Scum are scum, they are only protected because authorities are scared of them.

 

[merino]

How old are you?
I'm not being ageist but you profile says your from the NE. You don't sound it?

Thanks?
You know there's no way for me to answer that without being dog piled by losers?

 

[primmiemoo]

Contrast the two, on one hand a young brave poiceman that just got married with everthing to look forward to, doing a job that most of us would, could not do? The other lot, no morals, no "worth", no respect, going out daily to rob, steal, ruin intimidate, target older vunerable people by doing substandard jobs? then charging fortunes and getting paid by "menice" and they wonder why they are hated?

They would have been the same, though, regardless of what group they come from. They did a terrible thing. That they are from the group known as Travellers is not really the issue.

Getting them out from cowardly hiding behind a shield of group designation to face the Law of the land is a big issue. They are no help or benefit to Travellers (or the appropriate name, if I've got it wrong) as a designated group.

 

[Lowland1]

But the determinedly, intransigently, disingenuously intolerant in a society are the problem. I'm not suggesting that present company is badly infected by this ~ TFF is a warmly well run and attended forum ~ but nevertheless, keeping watch for, and responding appropriately to, incidences when that intolerance pops up is a part of quality control.

You have to look at the demographic of farmers. Generally 50 years old plus i’d reckon 99.9 % white mainly with a right of centre viewpoint.The views on TFF will be the views of that demographic. My kids have a different view of things to what i have. They will often tell me ‘ You can’t say that’ . Because they’ve been brought up in a different age to me. Not an age when you can call someone a Puff or a Spade or a Paki. Things change and society moves on .

 

[primmiemoo]

That's all well and good but pointing out the inherent problems with something is not intolerance.

And it does no cause any good when the people promoting it simply start pointing the finger and shouting "intolerance" at those asking the questions, rather than making any attempt to answer the questions.

Such behaviour only causes or increases resentment and division as opposed to promoting inclusivity.

*edit* - that's not aimed at yourself by the way, we may not agree on much but I respect that you will always argue your case and in a respectful fashion.

I agree with you, but there are occasions where bluntness is necessary. I compared it to giving a bully bullock a dap on the nose. It brings pause. An equivalent (non physical version) to another hooman bean who's potentially on a bit of a roll, opinion-wise, brings pause and the opportunity for nuanced interaction.

I don't quite have evidence, but I suspect there's a pattern in what some posters have been writing (unconsciously?) that's familiar to those being bluntest.

 

[primmiemoo]

You have to look at the demographic of farmers. Generally 50 years old plus i’d reckon 99.9 % white mainly with a right of centre viewpoint.The views on TFF will be the views of that demographic. My kids have a different view of things to what i have. They will often tell me ‘ You can’t say that’ . Because they’ve been brought up in a different age to me. Not an age when you can call someone a Puff or a Spade or a Paki. Things change and society moves on .

It does move on. Personally, I can only hope that moving on means improving for all. Mum's sewing box has a reel of cotton that's labelled N- word brown. She'd never call anyone that, or any of the other derogatory names used against people who weren't the same colour as her, because that wasn't a Christian thing to do.

 

[merino]

Scum are scum, they are only protected because authorities are scared of them.

Where's the guys who were so upset with me yesterday?

 

[yoki]

Where's the guys who were so upset with me yesterday?

Answer the question I put on post #120 and I'll happily resume the debate.

But unfortunately that was the point at which you run away and started throwing insults instead.

Maybe that's your thing but it's certainly not mine.