Doesn't make it alright

[Bury the Trash]

I think you need to look up persecution.

yes just a better word would've been discrimination .


and Smithy (Robert ) funnily enough saw his first appearance on TOTP the other night, looked like we all did back then, boyish sensibly dressed mind you.

 

[merino]

Answer the question I put on post #120 and I'll happily resume the debate.

But unfortunately that was the point at which you run away and started throwing insults instead.

Maybe that's your thing but it's certainly not mine.

Not you.

 

[Lowland1]

It does move on. Personally, I can only hope that moving on means improving for all. Mum's sewing box has a reel of cotton that's labelled N- word brown. She'd never call anyone that, or any of the other derogatory names used against people who weren't the same colour as her, because that wasn't a Christian thing to do.

We were very racist in our house in the seventies etc. Because we’d never seen a black or brown person. When i went away to school i came across the odd Indian or Black kid and their lives were made miserable. Then i met and married an Indian and we all worked out ( my family at least ) they weren’t much different . My grandma was a bit upset because the kids would be half caste but even my Dad reckoned that wasn’t an issue in the new millenia.

 

[yoki]

Not you.

It's still valid.

 

[Lowland1]

yes just a better word would've been discrimination .


and Smithy (Robert ) funnily enough saw his first appearance on TOTP the other night, looked like we all did back then, boyish sensibly dressed mind you.

A Forest? I have to say hearing ‘Killing an Arab’ ( Israeli national anthem ? ) on the John Peel ( dodgy character now ? ) was a life changing experience to me.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

We were very racist in our house in the seventies etc. Because we’d never seen a black or brown person. When i went away to school i came across the odd Indian or Black kid and their lives were made miserable. Then i met and married an Indian and we all worked out ( my family at least ) they weren’t much different . My grandma was a bit upset because the kids would be half caste but even my Dad reckoned that wasn’t an issue in the new millenia.

I'm rather surprised you used the term half caste.

But in terms of TFF, I think that like broader society, we aren't really that bias. We just over generalise and don't always choose are words carefully enough.
Is there anything more intolerant than finding someone that says "person of colour" as being correct but someone saying "coloured person" completely unacceptable.
It has no bearing on the persons thoughts or intentions, probably just indicates whether they are in an occupation with regular 'inclusivity' training.

 

[Lowland1]

I'm rather surprised you used the term half caste.

Why? it’s what my Grandma reckoned. However they actually are casteless. Not because of their white/Indian mix but because my wifes father married a caste below him. Both my wifes parents were doctors however my wifes father was Brahmin and his public school educated wife was of a lower caste. It’s a whole new world.

 

[JP1]

I'm rather surprised you used the term half caste.

But in terms of TFF, I think that like broader society, we aren't really that bias. We just over generalise and don't always choose are words carefully enough.
Is there anything more intolerant than finding someone that says "person of colour" as being correct but someone saying "coloured person" completely unacceptable.
It has no bearing on the persons thoughts or intentions, probably just indicates whether they are in an occupation with regular 'inclusivity' training.

That's true but there's plenty of folks that laugh along with Boris Johnson about Burkhas and tank top bum boys etc etc etc .

Surely you can recognise that some things aren't acceptable , probably wouldn't be said openly face to face and why some "campaigners" actively seek out ways to magnify and call these things out?

I too am conflicted when I watch the full Sky News tape where a London police officer (and by implication the Met Commissioner) are called out by a campaigner complaining the police officer describing someone at a protest as "openly Jewish" when in fact I honestly believe that officer was only intent on ensuring the safety of a protestor deliberately bating and walking in to a pro Gaza demonstration

 

[David.]

I'm rather surprised you used the term half caste.

I'm not; it was a perfectly normal expression at the time. By calling someone mixed race today, you are still describing their difference from the normal.
I too went to school in the 70s, and I can remember two black pupils at the time, and what a horrible time they had at the hands of the other kids, the constant taunts, name calling, etc. But there were also kids from a very large and unhygienic family, who absolutely stunk, they were similarly cruelly ostracised; how bloody awful for those girls in particular, it wasn't their fault their mother was a skank.
It is a good job times have moved on, but cruel and unkind behaviour towards others who are different will always be a thing, I'm afraid.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Why? it’s what my Grandma reckoned. However they actually are casteless. Not because of their white/Indian mix but because my wifes father married a caste below him. Both my wifes parents were doctors however my wifes father was Brahmin and his public school educated wife was of a lower caste. It’s a whole new world.

It was my understanding that the term was considered to be very offensive.

It used to be regularly mis-used as a term for 'cross-bred' rather than the social class system.

It is one of the few expressions that I have mentally 'binned'.

I think this thread is an example of linguistic twister. Language is about trying to communicate in what ever way you can. A lot of these issues are about a wrong choice of words than any great wish to cause offence. And the written word loses the nuance of face to face communication.

I have only be shocked a few times by what has been written on TFF, I think on most occasions people just haven't accurately expressed what they intended.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

That's true but there's plenty of folks that laugh along with Boris Johnson about Burkhas and tank top bum boys etc etc etc .

Surely you can recognise that some things aren't acceptable , probably wouldn't be said openly face to face and why some "campaigners" actively seek out ways to magnify and call these things out?

I too am conflicted when I watch the full Sky News tape where a London police officer (and by implication the Met Commissioner) are called out by a campaigner complaining the police officer describing someone at a protest as "openly Jewish" when in fact I honestly believe that officer was only intent on ensuring the safety of a protestor deliberately bating and walking in to a pro Gaza demonstration

I think we are all equally worthy of ridicule too.
Is a joke about a livestock farmer and pockets of baler twine any different than a lady with a Burkha.
Offense is taken not given.

I believe everyone is born equal.
A few achieve greatness.
A few descend to being worthy of being considered less than equal.

 

[Lowland1]

It was my understanding that the term was considered to be very offensive.

It used to be regularly mis-used as a term for 'cross-bred' rather than the social class system.

It is one of the few expressions that I have mentally 'binned'.

I think this thread is an example of linguistic twister. Language is about trying to communicate in what ever way you can. A lot of these issues are about a wrong choice of words than any great wish to cause offence. And the written word loses the nuance of face to face communication.

I have only be shocked a few times by what has been written on TFF, I think on most occasions people just haven't accurately expressed what they intended.

Racism isn’t confined to us whites. In Kenya mixed white/ black people are called nusu nusu or half and halves sometimes they called mzungu fake or fake whites. Racism generally is ignorance. Ignorance isn’t neccesarily stupidity.

 

[Bury the Trash]

A Forest? I have to say hearing ‘Killing an Arab’ ( Israeli national anthem ? ) on the John Peel ( dodgy character now ? ) was a life changing experience to me.

no 'Primary ' just drums and note 2 'Tenor ' guitars (used for Rhythm rather than Bass)

 

[JP1]

I have only be shocked a few times by what has been written on TFF, I think on most occasions people just haven't accurately expressed what they intended.

I think you're right, it's not the norm and appears more on Politics and Off Topic but you can't deny it's fairly prevalent. Probably reflects "pub talk" but to others it's still pretty offensive

I can remember some laughing along to Lee Anderson's ill informed comments about Eddie Izzard standing as an MP and "I'd be more careful being followed in to a loo if he was about". Firstly why anyone would worry is beyond me and shows more about his inadequacies than anything ; does he really think he'd be "prey" ........ Eddie Izzard would probably double the IQ level of the current incumbents for a start

 

[Bury the Trash]

I think we are all equally worthy of ridicule too.
Is a joke about a livestock farmer and pockets of baler twine any different than a lady with a Burkha.
Offense is taken not given.

I believe everyone is born equal.
A few achieve greatness.
A few descend to being worthy of being considered less than equal.

or the comments referring to the Welsh shagging sheep

 

[David.]

Prefer Pictures of You, tbh.

 

[Lowland1]

no 'Primary ' just drums and note 2 Tenors guitars (used for Rhythm rather than Bass)

One upmanship at work. It’s 44 years ago on Wednesday. Things have changed a bit.

 

[JP1]

I think we are all equally worthy of ridicule too.
Is a joke about a livestock farmer and pockets of baler twine any different than a lady with a Burkha.
Offense is taken not given.

I believe everyone is born equal.
A few achieve greatness.
A few descend to being worthy of being considered less than equal.

True to an extent but one is definitely ONLY used to be pejorative

 

[Bury the Trash]

One upmanship at work.

One upmanship at work. It’s 44 years ago on Wednesday. Things have changed a bit.

yes you're right, of course, shouldve known better than to have crossed your Cure Knowledge
Peter Powell must've meant first played track from a new album

 

[primmiemoo]

That's true but there's plenty of folks that laugh along with Boris Johnson about Burkhas and tank top bum boys etc etc etc .

Surely you can recognise that some things aren't acceptable , probably wouldn't be said openly face to face and why some "campaigners" actively seek out ways to magnify and call these things out?

I too am conflicted when I watch the full Sky News tape where a London police officer (and by implication the Met Commissioner) are called out by a campaigner complaining the police officer describing someone at a protest as "openly Jewish" when in fact I honestly believe that officer was only intent on ensuring the safety of a protestor deliberately bating and walking in to a pro Gaza demonstration

I've watched the full video on Sky News. The policeman is being misrepresented. He's doing his job of keeping the peace in a potentially tense situation ~ and having to talk to somebody with form for acting in a manner likely to provoke. If I can find footage from a different angle, I'll post it ~ because there is corroboration of the full video.

Ruddy Suella Braverman was on the Today programme deflecting from the nub about the provocateur like the crazy person she is. She hadn't watched that full video!