Eat less meat

Raider112

Member
The whole climate change debate and policy is utter BS.

Right then, so they start bleating about food and NOx emissions, and are basically forcing petrol/diesel cars off the roads because of CO2, yet Germany are in the process of shutting down all their reactors, building a new LNG terminal and can't burn gas for electricity fast enough? Even with their staggering investment in wind and solar their CO2 emissions are amongst the highest in Europe for electricity production at over 300g per KWh. Compare that to France who are a snitch over 30 grams per KWh?

Meanwhile of course, natural gas is so cheap even coal can't compete with it and airlines get away with burning tonnes of fuel per hour during cruise with no penalty? Thank god my EU mandated vacuum cleaner isn't a planet killing three phase monster that sucks up 4000 Watts or something.

It's all bull, frankly.
That surprises me about Germany, travelling through Bavaria the countryside was covered in solar panels, I took that to mean they would be more environmentally friendly.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
The whole climate change debate and policy is utter BS.

Right then, so they start bleating about food and NOx emissions, and are basically forcing petrol/diesel cars off the roads because of CO2, yet Germany are in the process of shutting down all their reactors, building a new LNG terminal and can't burn gas for electricity fast enough? Even with their staggering investment in wind and solar their CO2 emissions are amongst the highest in Europe for electricity production at over 300g per KWh. Compare that to France who are a snitch over 30 grams per KWh?

Meanwhile of course, natural gas is so cheap even coal can't compete with it and airlines get away with burning tonnes of fuel per hour during cruise with no penalty? Thank god my EU mandated vacuum cleaner isn't a planet killing three phase monster that sucks up 4000 Watts or something.

It's all bull, frankly.
there is nothing un-environmentally friendly about Bull
 
That surprises me about Germany, travelling through Bavaria the countryside was covered in solar panels, I took that to mean they would be more environmentally friendly.

They burn coal and gas at a hell of a rate.


German LNG Terminal has received the decision from the German regulatory authority, Bundesnetzagentur, granting it exemption from network access and tariff regulation.

German LNG said on Monday that it received the decision from the regulator, however, it is still subject to review by the European Commission.

According to the request, it applies to the annual throughput capacity of 8 billion cubic metres of gas on a long-term basis from the date of the terminal’s commercial launch.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
They burn coal and gas at a hell of a rate.


German LNG Terminal has received the decision from the German regulatory authority, Bundesnetzagentur, granting it exemption from network access and tariff regulation.

German LNG said on Monday that it received the decision from the regulator, however, it is still subject to review by the European Commission.

According to the request, it applies to the annual throughput capacity of 8 billion cubic metres of gas on a long-term basis from the date of the terminal’s commercial launch.
The front end of German government is all greeness and sweetness and light. Behind the scenes they are more corrupt than the yanks in my experience. They are just better at hiding it.
 

Hjwise

Member
Mixed Farmer
They burn coal and gas at a hell of a rate.


German LNG Terminal has received the decision from the German regulatory authority, Bundesnetzagentur, granting it exemption from network access and tariff regulation.

German LNG said on Monday that it received the decision from the regulator, however, it is still subject to review by the European Commission.

According to the request, it applies to the annual throughput capacity of 8 billion cubic metres of gas on a long-term basis from the date of the terminal’s commercial launch.
I think they just share my view that nuclear accidents pose a greater more immediate risk that carbon emissions.
 

delilah

Member
Trying to get my head round this new AHDB website.
It is important, as it will be central to this PR campaign they launch in a weeks time.
It says the below.
What is this saying ?
That methane belched by cows contributes to man made climate change, or not ?
If yes, then aren't they behind the science ?
If no, then aren't they contradicting their claim that livestock contribute 6% of UK emissions ?
confused.com



Isn’t livestock farming one of the most significant contributors to carbon emissions?
In the UK, livestock production emits around 6% of total emissions, making it one of the smallest contributors. Transport dominates emissions at 28%, followed by energy supply at 23%, business at 18%, residential sector at 15% and all agriculture at 10%.
Globally, figures largely mirror the UK, with the FAO putting direct livestock emissions at around 5%. It is commonly cited that livestock emit more emissions than transport, but this is untrue. The FAO estimates direct emissions from transport are around 14%.
The vast majority of carbon emissions from livestock is methane (CH4), produced from cattle and sheep. While methane (CH4) is 28 times more warming than carbon dioxide (CO2), it has a much shorter lifespan of around a decade (CO2 is around 1000 years). After 10 years, methane (CH4) is broken down into CO2 and water, with the CO2 returning to the plants or grass the cow ate, through the process of photosynthesis.
 

Katarina

Member
Location
Mid Wales
Haven't you all got better things to do other than discuss this lame topic which is all BBC pushed propaganda along with other certain groups that will benefit from the reduction in production and consumption of meat .
It's all utter drool with lots of mis information thrown in to beef it up as to say. Veganuary is a complete con and a farce .
The CO2 in earths atmosphere equates to a mere 0.04 % . Hydrogen is 78 %, Oxygen 21%, Argon 0.93 .
Dr David Bellamy didn't believe that there was such a thing as man made climate change and called it all poppycock . His view was that the changes in our weather patterns were merely a natural evolution.
 

Muddyroads

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
Trying to get my head round this new AHDB website.
It is important, as it will be central to this PR campaign they launch in a weeks time.
It says the below.
What is this saying ?
That methane belched by cows contributes to man made climate change, or not ?
If yes, then aren't they behind the science ?
If no, then aren't they contradicting their claim that livestock contribute 6% of UK emissions ?
confused.com



Isn’t livestock farming one of the most significant contributors to carbon emissions?
In the UK, livestock production emits around 6% of total emissions, making it one of the smallest contributors. Transport dominates emissions at 28%, followed by energy supply at 23%, business at 18%, residential sector at 15% and all agriculture at 10%.
Globally, figures largely mirror the UK, with the FAO putting direct livestock emissions at around 5%. It is commonly cited that livestock emit more emissions than transport, but this is untrue. The FAO estimates direct emissions from transport are around 14%.
The vast majority of carbon emissions from livestock is methane (CH4), produced from cattle and sheep. While methane (CH4) is 28 times more warming than carbon dioxide (CO2), it has a much shorter lifespan of around a decade (CO2 is around 1000 years). After 10 years, methane (CH4) is broken down into CO2 and water, with the CO2 returning to the plants or grass the cow ate, through the process of photosynthesis.
It’s pretty poor English at the very least isn’t it?
Simple fact: Burning fossil fuels causes global warming. Full stop!
 

Hjwise

Member
Mixed Farmer
It’s certainly a conundrum, with 84% of the worlds energy source being fossil fuels (as I understand it) to blame climate change on cows is clearly ridiculous. But as China reduces the cost of nuclear and it becomes more prevalent the frequency of accidents will increase - making more of the planet uninhabitable. For us and cows.
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
It's people it really is, and more and more of them

Just thinking today about it and that thread on 'what's the best invention I your time' ...
Well the guy says the quad , i agree sort of..and..depends abit on its type of use ...buf I could say the same 'bike and allumium sheep hurdles also alloy livestock boxes' great invention s and where would we be without ?? In the modern day....


Eg. we've just brought ewes home from away. Off ground farmed for a long time, yes used all of the above plus dogs of course and well the only things it had in common with 40/ 50 yrs ago was the sheep and the dogs , because we used to walk them the 2 to 3 Mile's out and back ,where as today the fudgeing traffic and people gardens out front turned into car ports with no gates mean it's pretty undoable, so more fossil fuels used .perpetrating the ...viscious circle.....

I digress.....


:unsure:
 

Katarina

Member
Location
Mid Wales
Have a read of the thread in livestock on proposals for a carbon tax on cows. That's why its important. If it was just the vegans the bbc etc I would agree with you, but it's not.
The world has gone mad. I take it that Vegan products will become grossly overpriced due to the carbon tax it will generate from being flown from the other side of the world.
The Tax on cattle, its still a proposal and the Tories have a track record for changing policies .
As for Elms, an other ill thought out scheme that's been influenced by Goldsmith and his anti farming plebs.

This is only my opinion and what do i know.

What i do know though is that the vast majority of the people of this country support us as farmers by buying our produce knowing that our home grown food has been produced to the highest standards .
 

Muddyroads

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
The world has gone mad. I take it that Vegan products will become grossly overpriced due to the carbon tax it will generate from being flown from the other side of the world.
The Tax on cattle, its still a proposal and the Tories have a track record for changing policies .
As for Elms, an other ill thought out scheme that's been influenced by Goldsmith and his anti farming plebs.

This is only my opinion and what do i know.

What i do know though is that the vast majority of the people of this country support us as farmers by buying our produce knowing that our home grown food has been produced to the highest standards .
If only the politicians listened to the people instead of the likes of Goldsmith!
 

Barleycorn

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Hampshire
Pinched this off FB. BBC actually not farmer bashing fora change.

Adam Day

The BBC reported this morning that Greenhouse Gas Emissions fell by 7% during 2020. The reason was of course the global lockdown. If nothing else it de- bunks the myth that "cows are killing the planet". In fact the anti- farming nay- sayers have been rather quiet over the last few months. Farmers were still farming even when the aeroplanes were not flying, and it is a damn good job they were! This got me thinking.
There is a bigger and more important picture here and certainly it is one that our customers, the buying public needs to be aware of:
Firstly, apart from the obvious that farmers grow food, is the fact that UK agriculture GHG emissions is now way less than 10% of the UK total, as opposed to a global average which is almost twice as high.
Secondly, farming is a unique industry in that it is probably the only one that is able to partially mitigate the GHG's that it emits. How is this possible? The answer is soil.
When you think about it soil and water are the building blocks of terrestrial life. Soil actually stores carbon taken out of the atmosphere in a process called sequestration. So important is this process that major industrial emitters are now quickly cottoning on to the fact and are looking to purchase carbon credits from farmers as a way of mitigating their own GHG emissions.
Indeed this may be the only equitable solution for some industries. Either that, or take the aeroplanes out of the sky and the vehicles off the road.
The Farmer Network has been releasing proven carbon facts to its members each week with a view to offering good science on which to build knowledge. Here is a recent example. Please read, then read again: -
"There is more carbon locked up in the worlds soils than there is in all of the atmosphere, together with world’s plants and trees combined".
"There are around 2,500 billion tons of carbon in soil, compared with 800 billion tons in the atmosphere and 560 billion tons in plant and animal life".
"A soil with an organic matter level of 5% is storing approximately 55 tonnes per hectare of carbon" (assuming an average soil density of 1.3 and a soil depth of 15cm).
From these figures it can be ascertained that a 1% increase in soil organic matter can increase carbon storage by up to 10 tonnes per hectare. These are staggering figures and without doubt this is an area of opportunity for UK farmers.
Next time you walk in the countryside enjoying the pastoral features of rural Britain, please take a second to think about what is happening below the surface as well.
In the UK we have the ability to grow grass and trees very well. With increased knowledge and understanding, we can do it even better on the farm.
If nothing else it proves that farming, food, conservation and environmental enhancement fit together perfectly well within one portfolio. This is something to be proud of, and something to support.
 

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