Election result prediction

[stevieg]

Laugh away @JP1; yet even with an obvious personal loss I would have voted for Brexit, because I find the idea of our own state not being sovereign quite abhorrent.

Whereas you don't and, presumably, voted to remain in the EU on the principle that you found the idea of our state being sovereign abhorrent...

Apparently the remaining 27 countries are not sovereign according to Dan. Sovereignty since Dans beloved Brexit means boris and our government agreeing a trading border within our own country, and Sunak having to go cap in hand to the Eu last year to beg for a softer border.
On the subject of government incompetence. It’s of no surprise that the mps most in favour of brexit are the most incompetent as a minister.

But it’s always someone else’s fault isn’t it

 

[Danllan]

A state, which takes a decision, through a free and fair vote of the people, to share parts of its erstwhile sovereignty, with others for the common good, is still sovereign. It‘s the will of the people. In ROI, it’s the overwhelming will of the people.

To state as you did, that a person voting to remain in the EU, by extension finds ones own country’s sovereignty “abhorrent”, is patent nonsense.
I’ve noticed over time, @JP1 expressed pride and loyalty to country and monarchy. For you to besmirch that, singularly because he voted to remain, is beneath contempt.
You are by further extension, extrapolating that 48% of voters in the referendum also find domestic sovereignty “abhorrent!
May I suggest, that it is you who is cornered! Your argument around sovereignty, holds no water whatsoever. Absolutely none.

Blah blah blah, you trotted out so much crap before and still had to admit that the ROI wasn't and couldn't be sovereign while in the EU.

 

[Danllan]

Apparently the remaining 27 countries are not sovereign according to Dan. Sovereignty since Dans beloved Brexit means boris and our government agreeing a trading border within our own country, and Sunak having to go cap in hand to the Eu last year to beg for a softer border.
On the subject of government incompetence. It’s of no surprise that the mps most in favour of brexit are the most incompetent as a minister.

But it’s always someone else’s fault isn’t it

When the EU and loads of its members - notably the ROI - came to the UK for whatever, were they cap in hand, or is that just the pejorative you reserve for people you don't agree with?

Someone else's fault? Well you claim so certainly... tell us, what was most incompetent thing of all? Was it remainer-Cameron's superb 'negotiations'? Was it allowing a Brexit referendum? Or was it remainer-May trying a total sell-out?

Poor memory you have, or maybe just selective...

 

[Ashtree]

Blah blah blah, you trotted out so much crap before and still had to admit that the ROI wasn't and couldn't be sovereign while in the EU.

Stop digging my friend, stop digging. As Kenny Rogers says, “you gotta know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run”!
Right now, you’re “all out of aces”, so I recommend the fold ‘em policy, but perhaps you might even choose the “run” policy.

 

[Danllan]

Stop digging my friend, stop digging. As Kenny Rogers says, “you gotta know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run”!
Right now, you’re “all out of aces”, so I recommend the fold ‘em policy, but perhaps you might even choose the “run” policy.

So, are you going to tell another lie and pretend you didn't admit the ROI's lack of sovereignty?

 

[caveman]

A state, which takes a decision, through a free and fair vote of the people, to share parts of its erstwhile sovereignty, with others for the common good, is still sovereign. It‘s the will of the people. In ROI, it’s the overwhelming will of the people.

To state as you did, that a person voting to remain in the EU, by extension finds ones own country’s sovereignty “abhorrent”, is patent nonsense.
I’ve noticed over time, @JP1 expressed pride and loyalty to country and monarchy. For you to besmirch that, singularly because he voted to remain, is beneath contempt.
You are by further extension, extrapolating that 48% of voters in the referendum also find domestic sovereignty “abhorrent!
May I suggest, that it is you who is cornered! Your argument around sovereignty, holds no water whatsoever. Absolutely none.

That'll be the same fekkin JPI who doesn't want to live in the UK?
Enable him to have a ROI passport, please.

 

[Hindsight]

Calm down dears! Im not championing boris but you cannot deny he won the torys the election by a mile and at the time the general public loved him. The tory party has torn itself apart getting rid of him . They are thick as sh#t and have run the country into the ground while they squabbled. I cannot see a single downside of brexit as a commercial livestock farmer.

Nope Werzle the 2019 General ELection was an aberration. 'Get Brexit done' It was all about the Leave voters breaking the impasse in Westminster. Wasn't a general election at all. Was another and final part of the refeendum process. Quite amusing really that Johnson having sided with Leave for his own political gains was then spat out by the same ERG right wing UKIP/REFORM part of the Tory Party. Given spaffer Johnsons predeliction to guffaw in Latin the phrase 'Et tu Brutus' seems to be particularly delicious as far as he is concerned.

 

[Hindsight]

Laugh away @JP1; yet even with an obvious personal loss I would have voted for Brexit, because I find the idea of our own state not being sovereign quite abhorrent.

Whereas you don't and, presumably, voted to remain in the EU on the principle that you found the idea of our state being sovereign abhorrent...

abhorrent - you do choose some emotive words dear Dan. Playing up to the Jury?

 

[Danllan]

abhorrent - you do choose some emotive words dear Dan. Playing up to the Jury?

Well... others keep throwing around 'far-right', 'extreme' etc. all the time, trying to infer some sort of link or equivalence to fascism or Nazism, so I thought I'd use more moderate and less inflammatory language when making my points.

 

[JP1]

That'll be the same fekkin JPI who doesn't want to live in the UK?
Enable him to have a ROI passport, please.

I love living in the UK but would love the option to retire to France and for my kids to love, work and live where they wish in the EU

And yes even at my age I'm still happily in that adjective camp. Maybe that's part of the Kipper rage of repression because they aren't getting enough?

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Why are remainer/rejoiners so defensive if sovereignty is mentioned, when the EU are quite clear that a country gives up sovereignty if it becomes a member?

 

[Widgetone]

Why are remainer/rejoiners so defensive if sovereignty is mentioned, when the EU are quite clear that a country gives up sovereignty if it becomes a member?

Not sure remainers have a problem with the sovereignty thing, it is the leavers only answer which overlooks that, while we can make rules, we then have to amend them to do business with EU/US/whoever?

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Not sure remainers have a problem with the sovereignty thing, it is the leavers only answer which overlooks that, while we can make rules, we then have to amend them to do business with EU/US/whoever?

All countries have to agree rules for trade, that’s different from sovereignty. When the USA agrees trade rules with the EU no one says they have forfeited their status as a sovereign country, so why should it be different for the U.K.?

 

[holywell farmer]

Crikey, it gets worse and worse for poor old Rishi. At this rate, he'd be better to call the GE soon, rather than lose the lot!







Worst ever result for Conservative Party was in 1906 apparently, when they won 156 seats. New poll by Electoral Calcu

Really hope that isn't the result

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[neilo]

Just for balance, a poll for the Telegraph yesterday had Labour on 42%, Conservatives 27%, Reform slipping to 10% and Greens at 4%.

Didn’t even mention the Lib Dem’s.

 

[Ashtree]

That'll be the same fekkin JPI who doesn't want to live in the UK?
Enable him to have a ROI passport, please.

He doesn’t need one. All you intelligent, outgoing, worldly, innovative, creative, Brits, who are slowly having your best attributes stifled by the Brexit cultural straight jacket, are most welcome in ROI. You can’t go to the sunnier climes of EU, but with good waterproofs, a better life awaits in ROI.

 

[czechmate]

He doesn’t need one. All you intelligent, outgoing, worldly, innovative, creative, Brits, who are slowly having your best attributes stifled by the Brexit cultural straight jacket, are most welcome in ROI. You can’t go to the sunnier climes of EU, but with good waterproofs, a better life awaits in ROI.

Is that right?

 

[nivilla1982]

Oldham Council election: Labour loses control of authority

Labour loses Oldham but easily holds on to Wigan and Tameside councils.

www.bbc.co.uk

Local election results 2024: Oldham Labour loses council control amid 'Gaza backlash' - LabourList

Oldham Labour has lost control of the council in north-west England, with the party losing seats to independents in five wards, according to the BBC.

labourlist.org

 

[Danllan]

Oldham Council election: Labour loses control of authority

Labour loses Oldham but easily holds on to Wigan and Tameside councils.

www.bbc.co.uk

Local election results 2024: Oldham Labour loses council control amid 'Gaza backlash' - LabourList

Oldham Labour has lost control of the council in north-west England, with the party losing seats to independents in five wards, according to the BBC.

labourlist.org

But will it extrapolate to a General Election and, because it's obviously down to Muslims withdrawing support from Labour, will it - regardless of how revolting the thought may be - be the same in other areas where Islam is a dominant factor?

 

[nivilla1982]

But will it extrapolate to a General Election and, because it's obviously down to Muslims withdrawing support from Labour, will it - regardless of how revolting the thought may be - be the same in other areas where Islam is a dominant factor?

Indeed.