Electric wayleaves

[haymaker80]

Given the cost of getting commercial electric connection over a domestic one, I would take them for as much as you can - they would if roles were reversed.

Quite agree, they charged us an arm and a leg to alter our supply route about ten years ago when we put a new shed up. It would be nice to get it back off them!

 

[Netherfield]

going off topic, is there a wayleave system for sewer pipes through land? They don't serve my house but do overflow. YW is pissing me about, Environment Agency believe the YW lies too. View attachment 307336

Handy for emptying the slurry tanker in an emergency

Seriously though, those things are a real pain in the arse, on 15 acre of rented land there were 8 of them,first 6 were easy to spot because they 3 above the ground, last two were only a few inches, first time of mowing I near wrecked the machine on one.

Landlords reaction "Oh I should have warned you about them, last chap grazed the field so it didn't matter", although we later found out said chap had a beast with a broken leg because someone had left the lid off.

 

[MrNoo]

Just having a 33Kva go through a couple of our fields, all underground, managed to get roughly what we wanted for the elec cable but a few weeks after signing found out that there is also a plan for fibre-optic cables to be put in at the same time, there was no mention of this at the time of negotiations. I have spoken to my agent and another who has handled a lot of the other farmers who's property the cable crosses, naff all we can do about it now. Just one of the many "new tricks" they are trying to pull.

 

[___\0/___]

Just having a 33Kva go through a couple of our fields, all underground, managed to get roughly what we wanted for the elec cable but a few weeks after signing found out that there is also a plan for fibre-optic cables to be put in at the same time, there was no mention of this at the time of negotiations. I have spoken to my agent and another who has handled a lot of the other farmers who's property the cable crosses, naff all we can do about it now. Just one of the many "new tricks" they are trying to pull.

Did they say what the cable was for? When we asked we got told it was for their own use and they could put it up without telling us.

 

[spin cycle]

Given the cost of getting commercial electric connection over a domestic one, I would take them for as much as you can - they would if roles were reversed.

bloomin right...i had them 'by the curlies' once ...did the 'right thing'.....but when i wanted something it was a different matter...shaft the b@strads

 

[tanker]

I've done a bit with Western Power's wayleave people for ourselves and a few locals and found them pretty good.Any field that's cut more than once a year is eligible for the arable payment(so obviously all our fields with posts and stays are cut at least twice a year,even the wet and steep ones as it happens if you catch my drift....)We've upgraded ours a few yrs ago now and so have several others.They're standard payments so in my case an agent wouldn't have made a jot of difference.I'm certainly not anti-agent,we've a couple of telephone masts on the farm and I wouldn't dream of going into rent negotiations on them on my own.However,getting the right agent isn't always easy,a couple of years back they came through cutting trees and vegetation from under power lines,what they called a clearance cut more than a maintenance cut so they paid a decent amount of money to some farmers.One of my good friend's and a neighbour employed an agent who was absolutely useless to the point they told him to get lost and got a better deal themselves..

 

[MrNoo]

Did they say what the cable was for? When we asked we got told it was for their own use and they could put it up without telling us.

Yes, they said the same in this case. Seems odd that they failed to mention it though if for their own use, almost as if they were hiding it and once it's in who knows who uses it?
Same with Thames Water, they'll have you bent over at the slightest opportunity, bloody crooks

 

[Pond digger]

Saw the title and for some reason, immediately thought of rambler deterrent

Bit confused between way leaves and rights of way

 

[Wastexprt]

going off topic, is there a wayleave system for sewer pipes through land? They don't serve my house but do overflow. YW is pissing me about, Environment Agency believe the YW lies too. View attachment 307336

Hmmm, this looks as though this is a symptom of a problem further down the pipeline and you are having to deal with the consequences.

'Under the Public Health Act, it is an offence to allow a cesspool or septic tank to leak or overflow. Your local authority can initiate a criminal action against you if a leak or overflow occurs from your system. In addition, if this results in pollution of a watercourse or river, the Environment Agency may also prosecute. The penalty is three months imprisonment or a fine of up to £30,000.'

There must be a similar enforcement route for sewerage providers.

 

[Nearly]

Hmmm, this looks as though this is a symptom of a problem further down the pipeline and you are having to deal with the consequences.

'Under the Public Health Act, it is an offence to allow a cesspool or septic tank to leak or overflow. Your local authority can initiate a criminal action against you if a leak or overflow occurs from your system. In addition, if this results in pollution of a watercourse or river, the Environment Agency may also prosecute. The penalty is three months imprisonment or a fine of up to £30,000.'

There must be a similar enforcement route for sewerage providers.

I just want to know if there is a wayleave type agreement so that I can cancel it and ask them to remove pipes. Might get action then.

 

[Wastexprt]

I just want to know if there is a wayleave type agreement so that I can cancel it and ask them to remove pipes. Might get action then.

I'm not sure about that, but the water company does have responsibilities.

Does this help? http://www.ofwat.gov.uk/households/supply-and-standards/pipes-on-private-land/

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Who defines "arable land" for a wayleave? Bearing in mind the RPA definition of regularly re-sown pasture as "permanent pasture" after 5 years in grass despite it being re-sown every 3 years.

If the payment rates are supposed to reflect the impact of their plant (litle impact on true permanent pasture but can be a pain to cultivate around on arable crops or grass re-seeding work) then I'd argue that grass leys should count as "arable" rates.

I'm awaiting a visit from a UK Power Networks surveyor to agree what I'm due in wayleave payments. I have over 20 poles, some double, 14 stays, 3 transformers (one supplies me and 2 other properties) and 100 metres of 11kv cable buried across my yard to supply a third party. I've owned the farm for 14 years and received nothing. It could be an interesting negotiation!

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

This site gives national rates for power cables.

http://www.energynetworks.org/info/faqs/who-is-my-wayleaves-contact.html

Are we required to deviate from them?

 

[___\0/___]

Who defines "arable land" for a wayleave? Bearing in mind the RPA definition of regularly re-sown pasture as "permanent pasture" after 5 years in grass despite it being re-sown every 3 years.

If the payment rates are supposed to reflect the impact of their plant (litle impact on true permanent pasture but can be a pain to cultivate around on arable crops or grass re-seeding work) then I'd argue that grass leys should count as "arable" rates.

I'm awaiting a visit from a UK Power Networks surveyor to agree what I'm due in wayleave payments. I have over 20 poles, some double, 14 stays, 3 transformers (one supplies me and 2 other properties) and 100 metres of 11kv cable buried across my yard to supply a third party. I've owned the farm for 14 years and received nothing. It could be an interesting negotiation!

I think you will get your ground down as arable no problem, it seems to be a pretty standard offer they make.

 

[alex04w]

In Northern Ireland the vast majority of power cables are under the control of NIE. They publish a table of their rent rates and it is a case of take it or leave it - you wont get anything else. Their payment table is found in the following documents:- http://www.nienetworks.co.uk/documents/Wayleave/NIE_wayleave-agreement_informationpack.aspx

However, this does not cover compensation for the disruption caused whilst they are doing work. This is a matter for negotiation and a good agent is worth employment.

We had a water sewer put through our land a few years ago. The agent said the compensation was based on the value of the land and not on the value of the lost crop (be that grass or arable crops). The sewer ran across our land for about 400 to 500 yards. They fenced it off for six months through the summer and reseeded it when they left. The compensation the agent negotiated was £12,000.

 

[MrNoo]

Always useful if having something put through your land to make sure there is a "Lift and shift" clause in the contract, you never know one day in the future there may be provision for building on said land or some other form of development and you dont want to be trying to get them to shift it to suit your needs when you dont have anything about it in a contract you may have signed 30 odd years ago. Who knows it maybe the next generation that benefits but worth putting there as you never know whats around the corner.

 

[haymaker80]

In Northern Ireland the vast majority of power cables are under the control of NIE. They publish a table of their rent rates and it is a case of take it or leave it - you wont get anything else. Their payment table is found in the following documents:- http://www.nienetworks.co.uk/documents/Wayleave/NIE_wayleave-agreement_informationpack.aspx

However, this does not cover compensation for the disruption caused whilst they are doing work. This is a matter for negotiation and a good agent is worth employment.

We had a water sewer put through our land a few years ago. The agent said the compensation was based on the value of the land and not on the value of the lost crop (be that grass or arable crops). The sewer ran across our land for about 400 to 500 yards. They fenced it off for six months through the summer and reseeded it when they left. The compensation the agent negotiated was £12,000.

I think the wayleaves rates over here are standard rates too, so not much benefit from using an agent. The wayleave agent was quite willing to alter the route of the lines to suit us too. What I wouldn't know where to start with is compensation for disturbance/inconvenience while they do the works...

 

[joe soapy]

Dont forget the 2 lines bit, where the payment is enhanced if 2 lines cross the same field.
Not sure if this includes a 11k and a 400k line though

 

[MrNoo]

Dont forget the 2 lines bit, where the payment is enhanced if 2 lines cross the same field.
Not sure if this includes a 11k and a 400k line though

Made no difference in our case, thought one 33kva but in fact we have 2 going in side by side in the same trench along with fibre optic cable. Reckon they'll be needing a 24m wide strip to do it. On some other farms they are taking a 48m wide swath to put the trench in.