English branded meat

[lloyd]

Looks like the lamb trades been given a reprieve for a few more weeks

 

[7610 super q]

How do you know what I care about? [All my neighbours semi-retired actually and are all now pensioners in their 80's with no interested family. Yes every one of them, apart from one who has cancer currently].
Why and on what do you base your erroneous assumption that I think the last 40 years have been a walk in the park?
I certainly show more care and compassion by far to my fellow farmers and workers generally in all walks of life than you do. All you do is bitch about the EU and how hard done by you are and its 'their fault'. Well, take it from Hilly, you ain't seen nothing yet if we bail out without an agreement. You're done for mate! Goodbye! I hope you have made provision for your business being destroyed. And no, in that case I will have no compassion for you, because you actively begged for it.

Haven't seen anything yet ? Well yes we have, we've seen 52% of farmers disappear since 1972. And don't give me that crap about them retiring willingly, with massive pensions. It just doesn't wash. They'll have thrown in the towel because the job wasn't paying.

 

[Cowabunga]

Haven't seen anything yet ? Well yes we have, we've seen 52% of farmers disappear since 1972. And don't give me that crap about them retiring willingly, with massive pensions. It just doesn't wash. They'll have thrown in the towel because the job wasn't paying.

You just love embellishing your replies with nonsense. Whether you do it deliberately or not, I don't know. They don't have massive pensions as far as I know and they are all still farming, mostly with the same land. One of them, in his 80's, bought a calf off me earlier this week to put on a suckler and his immediate neighbour regularly comes for first milk for his orphan lambs this time of year. Without exception my group of farmers went out of milk because of their age and quality standards and future investment which they did not want to do at their age. Even the youngest, the one in his seventies now and in ill health actually expanded his farm after going out of milk but gave up as his health and age got the better of him.

Now just where and how have you assumed that any have a massive pension that doesn't wash?

And how will that help you, or anything help you [which it won't], after a hard brexit? Will a 'Welsh' label on your produce be your saviour? Do you expect miracles? Or have you a job lined up with Mansell Davies trucks?

 

[7610 super q]

You just love embellishing your replies with nonsense. Whether you do it deliberately or not, I don't know. They don't have massive pensions as far as I know and they are all still farming, mostly with the same land. One of them, in his 80's, bought a calf off me earlier this week to put on a suckler and his immediate neighbour regularly comes for first milk for his orphan lambs this time of year. Without exception my group of farmers went out of milk because of their age and quality standards and future investment which they did not want to do at their age. Even the youngest, the one in his seventies now and in ill health actually expanded his farm after going out of milk but gave up as his health and age got the better of him.

Now just where and how have you assumed that any have a massive pension that doesn't wash?

And how will that help you, or anything help you [which it won't], after a hard brexit? Will a 'Welsh' label on your produce be your saviour? Do you expect miracles? Or have you a job lined up with Mansell Davies trucks?

I don't know what's going to happen. I'll just carry on with plan A started in 2005, and downsize further, if the doom mongers are correct. Frankly, it looks like Brexit is dead in the water anyway now. I just can't get my head around worrying about what might happen to the 48% in the future, whilst ignoring the plight of the 52% in the past.

 

[7610 super q]

Oh, and the massive pensions / happy retirement bit ? That was a pearl of wisdom from one of the other Europhiles on here.

 

[Highland Mule]

I don't know what's going to happen. I'll just carry on with plan A started in 2005, and downsize further, if the doom mongers are correct. Frankly, it looks like Brexit is dead in the water anyway now. I just can't get my head around worrying about what might happen to the 48% in the future, whilst ignoring the plight of the 52% in the past.

Do you worry about all small businesses, because the consolidation you describe is happening in all industries - the little guys get bought out and the big guys get bigger. Like with most things, farming is not unique as an industry. If you're not convinced, think about Eddie Stobart.

 

[lloyd]

The original start of the thread wasn't meant to start a Brexit argument .
Wether we are in or out or sat on a fence English lamb has been poorly marketed
and not really pushed by the supermarkets.
Yes its relatively expensive but most quality products are.
If you go to most uk supermarkets its poorly presented and
a bit of an afterthought.
This is a real shame as its one of the least intensively farmed meats
and contributes to a diverse countryside which benefits all including
the projected £257 billion tourist industry by 2025(just under 10% of uk GDP)

If certain individuals think meat should be cheap and not keep up with real
inflation perhaps they should holiday in their nearest NCP car park!

Its time the story was sold behind the product !

 

[Man_in_black]

Same reason everyone wants to beat you at Rugby ,

Nobody wants to eat English meat because Owen Farrell is a cunť??

 

[Cowabunga]

The original start of the thread wasn't meant to start a Brexit argument .
Wether we are in or out or sat on a fence English lamb has been poorly marketed
and not really pushed by the supermarkets.
Yes its relatively expensive but most quality products are.
If you go to most uk supermarkets its poorly presented and
a bit of an afterthought.
This is a real shame as its one of the least intensively farmed meats
and contributes to a diverse countryside which benefits all including
the projected £257 billion tourist industry by 2025(just under 10% of uk GDP)

If certain individuals think meat should be cheap and not keep up with real
inflation perhaps they should holiday in their nearest NCP car park!

Its time the story was sold behind the product !

Monbiot is very good at writing about sheep. He doesn't like them or want them, and believes [or pretends to] that they are the big satan that despoils the hills and countryside which should be 're-wilded'.
It is an uphill battle when the likes of Aberystwyth University are actively seeking laboratory alternatives. So best of luck with that, it needs to be a preemptive strike not a reaction to events. This is the same Aberystwyth University that is affiliated to the world famous plant breeding station at Gogerddan and which has taken over the role of the Welsh Agricultural College, teaching mainly livestock farmers their craft.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47611026

 

[lloyd]

Monbiot is very good at writing about sheep. He doesn't like them or want them, and believes [or pretends to] that they are the big satan that despoils the hills and countryside which should be 're-wilded'.
It is an uphill battle when the likes of Aberystwyth University are actively seeking laboratory alternatives. So best of luck with that, it needs to be a preemptive strike not a reaction to events. This is the same Aberystwyth University that is affiliated to the world famous plant breeding station at Gogerddan and which has taken over the role of the Welsh Agricultural College, teaching mainly livestock farmers their craft.

Cowabunga
Are you really worried?
They couldn't compete on price .
Just because potentially they can do something
doesn't mean they want to work for a Welsh hill farmers wage!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47611026

 

[Cowabunga]

I'm not particularly worried. I'll be well retired or well dead by the time they manage to market such a thing. I do worry slightly for the long term future of the countryside and its working age inhabitants in the short to medium term though, because the UK imperative is to find theoretical figures to lower gaseous emissions and the easy way for them to do that is to subtly and not so subtly eliminate most of the UK's ruminants. They have zero priority compared to, for instance, jet aircraft.

 

[lloyd]

I'm not particularly worried. I'll be well retired or well dead by the time they manage to market such a thing. I do worry slightly for the long term future of the countryside and its working age inhabitants in the short to medium term though, because the UK imperative is to find theoretical figures to lower gaseous emissions and the easy way for them to do that is to subtly and not so subtly eliminate most of the UK's ruminants. They have zero priority compared to, for instance, jet aircraft.

Yes it would be interesting to know how the environmental lobbyists
move about?Holidays abroad ,business trips ,social gatherings,especially now
you can Skype someone most places.

 

[Cowabunga]

Yes it would be interesting to know how the environmental lobbyists
move about?Holidays abroad ,business trips ,social gatherings,especially now
you can Skype someone most places.

One of the most ardent environmentalists in the village is going on a holiday to Iceland tomorrow and back to Spain after a 24 hour stopover back in the UK