EU vaccine role out.

[yellow belly]

IMO for what its worth the vaccine is probably fine, it's a tried and trusted method that's been in use over 40 years similar to the AstraZenica one except using human adenovirus instead of Chimpanzee one in the AZ (which in theory should make the AZ one better). It's the Russian manufacturing process I wouldn't fancy, quite happy with it if its manufactured in Europe or similar.

As for the trial data, I think all the products have some big question marks hanging over them particularly regarding levels efficacy. Which has to be a result of rushing them in order to get them approved and into peoples arms. But all the companies will still be monitoring their products very closely as they role them out.

Waldemar Haffkine: The vaccine pioneer the world forgot - BBC News

the case reported above show vaccine manufacture has to be done and tested properly

 

[Muck Spreader]

I couldn't find the original news report that I had read it on which was on an American site but I did find mention of Katya Adler's blog on the Express site. https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...s-astrazeneca-delay-eu-exports-ban-pfizer/amp

But can you believe anything the Daily Express says.

 

[Cheesehead]

But can you believe anything the Daily Express says.

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True though it was a different site I had originally read it on but even in the article you've cropped it states that she had questioned the EU's assertion as to the amount they have paid before she made the error of questioning Boris's attack against the EU when the government is restricting the export of medicine produced here some of which are used in the treatment of covid when he has deliberately stayed out of the arguement between the EU and AZ

 

[Cheesehead]

@Muck Spreader

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55844268

 

[Muck Spreader]

UK is now running a live time trial - 6 million vaccinated and ongoing. Will soon generate some proper data as to the efficacy of the vaccines. The key bit of the earlier trials was safety. Why are the EU regulator taking so long to make up their minds. Not as though there is that much to decide? Piece on the late news last night about it. Hey ho.

The EU and FDA in the US will go back to the base data from the trials and recalculate and then revaluate it before giving their recommendations, this takes time even for emergency approval. The UK medicines agency can only have based their recommendations on the trial conclusions supplied by the company. However, in both cases the company will have supplied interim progress reports and data throughout the course of the trial.

 

[JCMaloney]

Interesting footnote...........

EU $2.16/dose
UK $3/dose
US $4/dose

Price variance factors in import/export and production costs.

Further note - we have bought wayyyyy more than we need some of which will be sold, some of which will be given to developing countries.

 

[beefandsleep]

Interesting footnote...........

EU $2.16/dose
UK $3/dose
US $4/dose

Price variance factors in import/export and production costs.

Further note - we have bought wayyyyy more than we need some of which will be sold, some of which will be given to developing countries.

I hope poorer commonwealth countries get priority on our surplus. Finally a worthy use for the foreign aid budget.

 

[bobk]

The Ceo of AZ has just said he's 100% sure this vaccine will stop anyone needing hospital treatment for covid

 

[ollie989898]

I hope poorer commonwealth countries get priority on our surplus. Finally a worthy use for the foreign aid budget.

I believe the government should stop all foreign aid given in the form of cash and instead send only personnel, materials or other useful items as aid.

 

[Hindsight]

The EU and FDA in the US will go back to the base data from the trials and recalculate and then revaluate it before giving their recommendations, this takes time even for emergency approval. The UK medicines agency can only have based their recommendations on the trial conclusions supplied by the company. However, in both cases the company will have supplied interim progress reports and data throughout the course of the trial.

I understand that. But do the EU and FDA not trust the Brits then? Assume so. Hey ho.

 

[B'o'B]

I don’t think the EU/AZ contract can be read in isolation, it is my understanding that the UK/AZ contract is worded very differently, in that AZ committed to supply the first x amount of doses produced in the UK to the UK Gov.
If that is true, then the UK production is not actually available to AZ for supply to EU until the UK contract is fulfilled.

 

[stewart]

I hope poorer commonwealth countries get priority on our surplus. Finally a worthy use for the foreign aid budget.

Thank you for your concern, we need all the help we can get!

 

[wanton dwarf]

Whatever exports of vaccine leave the UK for the EU ..

It needs to be packaged correctly.

"UK Aid" ..

 

[Danllan]

Interesting footnote...........

EU $2.16/dose
UK $3/dose
US $4/dose

Price variance factors in import/export and production costs.

Further note - we have bought wayyyyy more than we need some of which will be sold, some of which will be given to developing countries.

One of the reasons for buying so many was to ensure that there would be a good 'overlap' in case some vaccines turned out to be not so good, i.e. the extra ones are backups.

We won't know for sure how effective the jabs are for some time yet - months or even a couple of years depending upon who you listen to - and I would not be happy to see our 'insurance' sent abroad before that. Unless, of course, production escalates sufficiently to allow it to happen.

Even then, as I wrote earlier, first offers should be made to our closest friends and family first, starting with Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the US if they need it.

Whatever exports of vaccine leave the UK for the EU ..

It needs to be packaged correctly.

"UK Aid" ..

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Unless they have paid for it.

 

[arcobob]

I understand that the EU deal was obtained with a special price because they waived the right for compensation in event of certain complications. Is this perhaps the sticking point for approval perhaps? Have the EU tried to insure against problems and failed or are certain members casting doubts?
This story has a long way to run but I feel that the Eurocrats are between a rock and a hard place.
Is it surprising that Brexit took over four years?

 

[arcobob]

So have they approved it yet? There was meant to be an announcement at 1400.

Wasn`t that six hundred years ago?

 

[teslacoils]

Brexit: EU introduces controls on vaccines to NI

Northern Ireland First Minister Arlene Foster describes the move as "an incredible act of hostility".

www.bbc.co.uk

Not going to end well.....

 

[wanton dwarf]

Unless they have paid for it.

UK Oxford vaccines are funded by the UK tax payer who contributed to the development cost.

Funding and manufacturing boost for UK vaccine programme

UK’s top researchers rapidly working to find a coronavirus vaccine will benefit from £84 million of new government funding.

www.gov.uk

The UK is at the forefront of international efforts to research and develop a vaccine. The government has already pledged £250 million to the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI), the highest contribution of any country. This is part of the UK committing £388 million to the international drive to develop vaccines, tests and treatments.


So any Oxford vaccine sent to the EU should have 3rd world PR packaging.

 

[Rowland]

I believe the government should stop all foreign aid given in the form of cash and instead send only personnel, materials or other useful items as aid.

Nice idea but governments that possibly aren’t all that honest will just keep it and then sell it .

 

[Muck Spreader]

One of the reasons for buying so many was to ensure that there would be a good 'overlap' in case some vaccines turned out to be not so good, i.e. the extra ones are backups.

We won't know for sure how effective the jabs are for some time yet - months or even a couple of years depending upon who you listen to - and I would not be happy to see our 'insurance' sent abroad before that. Unless, of course, production escalates sufficiently to allow it to happen.

Even then, as I wrote earlier, first offers should be made to our closest friends and family first, starting with Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the US if they need it.


Unless they have paid for it.

I don't think Canada or the US need it. Canada has ordered 600% more than it needs the US 450% the UK 400% and the EU 250%. New Zealand Japan and Israel have all been sensible and ordered around 110-120%