Evolution Farming

[kiwi pom]

I don't feel comfertable with this sort of thread it's a man's misfortune/accident being discussed and judged without all the facts.

Whether you like the people involved or not I tend to think this should be left alone.

I agree that blaming or discussing individuals is perhaps a bit far but I think the reasons for the deaths and what actually happened should be known, learning from accidents to ensure they don't happen to anyone else is important.
If an inexperienced worker was sent to pick up a water tanker for the cows would they even know or think to check it had been used for anything else?

 

[Sid]

I agree that blaming or discussing individuals is perhaps a bit far but I think the reasons for the deaths and what actually happened should be known, learning from accidents to ensure they don't happen to anyone else is important.
If an inexperienced worker was sent to pick up a water tanker for the cows would they even know or think to check it had been used for anything else?

It's not always an inexperienced workers fault or in fact anyone's.
Perhaps the boss was told yeah it's all clean sent the worker over to collect and fill it up?

On the other hand a member on here lost a whole bunch of cows because they got into a feed shed and overloaded themselves with a feed. Easy to say after the door should have been double checked.
What about gates that are left open and animals wander into slurry lagoons, slats that give way as the experienced farmer hasn't checked them in the last 20 years.

I left the car yesterday in a car park...with the keys in the ignition ....for half an hour.....
It's easy to blame the inexperienced but all these things could happen to us all.

 

[betweenthelines]

some cars just ain't worth nicking.

 

[Irish NZ]

Perhaps it's time that people came out in the open and told Evolution to smarten their act up a bit, with their real names and everything

No it's not. Because it's no one's business except there own if they is serious animal welfare breaches going on it's there business and the relevant statutory body and a court of law.

Its wasn't done on purpose its was a mistake with pretty huge consequences for their business. But imagine if anyone 1 of the people on here makes a mistake and loses a few cows and a load of local farmers banded together and rocked up to their place to say tidy up their act...


With regards to making it public, farmers are the biggest gossips around if they had to get a few truckloads of dead cows disposed of the rumor mill would have been going into overdrive. They might as well come out and say they had a problem...

 

[Johnsmith2024]

Seems Mr rawson and Mr Crotty have finally been found out. I used to work there I left because it was a disgrace. Anothe ex employee sent me this

The guy in the video found them starving and fed them his wife’s hay. Seems they just don’t care. Care more about bragging than actually taking care of there animals

https://x.com/themoralfarmer/status/1777808628889612505?s=46&t=nJWseZJa6SzwbY_DQCH9Ew

 

[crashbox]

Seems Mr rawson and Mr Crotty have finally been found out. I used to work there I left because it was a disgrace. Anothe ex employee sent me this

The guy in the video found them starving and fed them his wife’s hay. Seems they just don’t care. Care more about bragging than actually taking care of there animals

https://x.com/themoralfarmer/status/1777808628889612505?s=46&t=nJWseZJa6SzwbY_DQCH9Ew

Hi John, this appears to be your first post on TFF. Welcome.

I see your X handle is John Smith @themoralfarmer.

What sort of farming do you do?

 

[Nearly]

Does it matter if or what Johnsmith farms?

 

[FarmerWasty]

Big thing, think Arla and red tractor both involved. The powers at be are sorting it out.

 

[happycows]

I hope they come down hard on him.
I know it’s tough at the moment but I find it extremely hypocritical that he can be lecturing the industry at the Oxford farming conference and Ahdb strategic farm on preaching to the rest of us mere mortals on how it should be done while this is going on under his supervision.
It’s just not good enough.

 

[Grassman247]

I hope they come down hard on him.
I know it’s tough at the moment but I find it extremely hypocritical that he can be lecturing the industry at the Oxford farming conference and Ahdb strategic farm on preaching to the rest of us mere mortals on how it should be done while this is going on under his supervision.
It’s just not good enough.

Having read back through this thread think I said something similar when the previous thing was going on and got shouted down. Cows on one of the farms I drive past spent there weekends on fields with no grass because they were short staffed to cross the road. Not good enough I’m afraid.

 

[swedish red]

Seems Mr rawson and Mr Crotty have finally been found out. I used to work there I left because it was a disgrace. Anothe ex employee sent me this

The guy in the video found them starving and fed them his wife’s hay. Seems they just don’t care. Care more about bragging than actually taking care of there animals

https://x.com/themoralfarmer/status/1777808628889612505?s=46&t=nJWseZJa6SzwbY_DQCH9Ew

That is a very serious welfare issue and should be reported to the relevant authorities.
There is no excuse for having cattle in that condition.

 

[Martyn]

Seems Mr rawson and Mr Crotty have finally been found out. I used to work there I left because it was a disgrace. Anothe ex employee sent me this

The guy in the video found them starving and fed them his wife’s hay. Seems they just don’t care. Care more about bragging than actually taking care of there animals

https://x.com/themoralfarmer/status/1777808628889612505?s=46&t=nJWseZJa6SzwbY_DQCH9Ew

I don’t care what your agenda is or isn’t but the camera shows truly awful stock, everyone has a few non doers but they are clearly under shocking management. If those stock are managed by the people you name then they should hold their heads in shame.
Not only is it shocking welfare but it won’t be long for financial impact to become very apparent. Our industry makes no money from un productive livestock.

 

[Cows 'n grass]

I don't know Tom and I'm not defending the guy if everything seen is true but like most of these things I suspect there's another side to the story. My first assumption wouldn't be to believe everything said by a trespassing animal rights activist.

There are 30 calves in that group of which 10 look fine and 20 look terrible. If these are on a 5-700 cow unit that is shut down with tb then it's not that difficult to end up with 20 or so tail end calves hit by cocci or something else nasty that have then been pulled out into a separate group. @Johnsmith2024 says they'll never make good heifers, he didn't point out that half of of them are Hereford cross.

@Johnsmith2024 . You say you fed them that haylege but it appears to be from a large round or square bale. Did you borrow their handler to feed them?

Did you feed the other pens that are up eating where the stock look fine?

 

[happycows]

They should have been separated off, treated with veccoxan then a Brinicombe cocci bucket a long time ago.
We all get them and they just need tlc and good food
Admittedly they will probably never pay but if we choose to do this job then we all have to be willing to look after what’s in our care a damn sight better than that.
I’ve got a well used public footpath that runs right beside all our sheds. In a way I’m glad. Keeps you on your toes 365 days a year.

Maybe Arla should have realised this would be the consequence of their every calf has a value policy.

 

[kps]

I've seen them sell some very rough beef calves in market and if TS saw them I think they'd have have had something to say.

 

[Full of bull(s)]

They should have been separated off, treated with veccoxan then a Brinicombe cocci bucket a long time ago.
We all get them and they just need tlc and good food
Admittedly they will probably never pay but if we choose to do this job then we all have to be willing to look after what’s in our care a damn sight better than that.
I’ve got a well used public footpath that runs right beside all our sheds. In a way I’m glad. Keeps you on your toes 365 days a year.

Maybe Arla should have realised this would be the consequence of their every calf has a value policy.

They don’t look like they’ve necessarily had cocci. I see plenty of stirks that look like that and are healthy enough, just malnourished and neglected, worse in my eyes. There will be thousands of these byproduct calves on farm treated the same way, I saw some in an auction last week, 20 month old jersey crossbreed bulls, £80 to £180/head

 

[Ducati899]

They should have been separated off, treated with veccoxan then a Brinicombe cocci bucket a long time ago.
We all get them and they just need tlc and good food
Admittedly they will probably never pay but if we choose to do this job then we all have to be willing to look after what’s in our care a damn sight better than that.
I’ve got a well used public footpath that runs right beside all our sheds. In a way I’m glad. Keeps you on your toes 365 days a year.

Maybe Arla should have realised this would be the consequence of their every calf has a value policy.

i was thinking the same,looking at the sh!t on their tails and the state of the sh!t they were stood in a feed fence along with their condition then a good shot of something for coccy wouldn’t have gone a miss

 

[sidjon]

i was thinking the same,looking at the sh!t on their tails and the state of the sh!t they were stood in a feed fence along with their condition then a good shot of something for coccy wouldn’t have gone a miss

Best would be a lead injection

 

[Grassman247]

Best would be a lead injection

Apparently 60 have been under RSPCA inspection.

 

[Lincs]

I've seen them sell some very rough beef calves in market and if TS saw them I think they'd have have had something to say.

Just watched the video. That’s fairly standard for an Evolution calf in market