Fallowing as a Rotation Tool

franklin

New Member
No, the new fallow is a rotational tool. It requires a bit of thought about tangible benefits for following crops, a bit like growing a pulse or grass break. In that any costs associated with the fallow are recouped and exceeded in the rest of the rotation. There is no difference between having land bare now and planted in August than ploughing land in October and leaving it until drilling in March. Infact, I would say better it bare now than over winter.
 

franklin

New Member
What would I do with the grass? For BG control it would have to be reliably sileaged by a 3rd party before the BG flowered an set seed. None of my own beasts, so no control.
 

franklin

New Member
Suppose it would be, but it would come down to timing. All it would take would be a wet spell and not being able to get on and get it cleared and you end up with a field of seeding BG. And all you would be doing is harvesting a weed that you can fully kill with £6/acre of chemical.
 

Andyrob

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Suppose it would be, but it would come down to timing. All it would take would be a wet spell and not being able to get on and get it cleared and you end up with a field of seeding BG. And all you would be doing is harvesting a weed that you can fully kill with £6/acre of chemical.


But it's not killing it tho. It's developing a resistant to the chemical and will get to a point were nothing works.
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
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My hazy memories of fallow lectures at college were that the land was gradually worked down through the Summer, by harrowing out the weeds to dry on the surface, and that it was the primary control for couch and wild oats. Why does no one ever mention couch today? BG seems to have taken its place.

Couch thrives in poor crop competition or fallow. Easily dealt with by glyphosate if well timed & repeated to exhaust the rhizomes.
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
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Midlands
But it's not killing it tho. It's developing a resistant to the chemical and will get to a point were nothing works.

Are you referring to glyphosate? No resistance recorded here. Applications post flowering or in hard water areas are less reliable with lower rates of less than 720 grammes/ha ai.
 

franklin

New Member
Are you referring to glyphosate? No resistance recorded here. Applications post flowering or in hard water areas are less reliable with lower rates of less than 720 grammes/ha ai.

Roundup use is quite a poor area of farmer practice. I always use a water conditioner, and never go under 1000g/ha ai. And it is the one product I will use flat fans for!

This is a very ignorant question but if the blackgrass is flowering will a dose of glyphosate still stop it shedding viable seed?

Ideally, it will be done before flowering. The old man and I are then have opposing views. Leave them in the sun, or get them mulched in.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Leave them in the sun, or get them mulched in.

All the "experts" recommend scratching a stale seedbed to encourage BG seed germination, but if you leave them on the surface they are more likely to be eaten by birds, plus you will do less harm to ground nesting birds.

I'd go for the stale seedbed personally. It's an opportunity to get flushes of seed already buried too. There's no resistance to steel!

Definition of an "expert" = Ex is a has-been & a "spurt" is just a drip under pressure :D
 

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