Farage gives them both barrels

[caveman]

LOL

What's so funny?
Don't you recognise the difference?

 

[Skimmer]

But immigration is going to continue. BoJo is proposing an economic model that relies on it. Have you been to London? Half the immigrants come from outside the EU, and to gain access to the single market we will accept free movement of people from within the EU. Why? Because economically we need
Well I can tell you there will more discontent unless people start listening.

 

[R tea]

That is more or less what we would have had, in effect, from the concessions that Cameron won in his recent negotiations with the EU. An agreement that immigrants would not be eligible for social security until they reside for two or three years. Not sure of the details but it is no longer on the table anyhow, not since last week.

A temporary decision that could of been over turned by that shower in Brussels.
But thanks to the good British people who turned out to vote against mass imigration as they are all sick of it, it will now be a permanent decision.

 

[wanton dwarf]

He must bare some responsibility for it indirectly. He and others have stirred up this ugly style of 'National Socialist' style politics and we should all know very well what I mean and what it leads to. The most deranged and dangerous latch on to it first and lots follow just the way you see the dwarf doing here on this forum. It is predictable, and therefore those that do it, whether on public platforms or in private must take responsibility for the consequences.

I am unaware of any extreme comments by myself and even more unaware of any
posts being removed.

Oh you are right I found it.

The Labour Party under Tony Blair created the policies of mass immigration. Mass immigration has continued under the Conservatives. This has benefitted the rich, working class poor have suffered the most, whilst the establishment have reduced or in the case of health spending totally cut training.

The responsibility is 100% down to those creating the policies not those suffering under them.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

That is more or less what we would have had, in effect, from the concessions that Cameron won in his recent negotiations with the EU. An agreement that immigrants would not be eligible for social security until they reside for two or three years. Not sure of the details but it is no longer on the table anyhow, not since last week.

In practice one year and there was so many loopholes it was more or less unworkable and just a con to win votes

 

[Cowabunga]

Oh you are right I found it.

The Labour Party under Tony Blair created the policies of mass immigration. Mass immigration has continued under the Conservatives. This has benefitted the rich, working class poor have suffered the most, whilst the establishment have reduced or in the case of health spending totally cut training.

The responsibility is 100% down to those creating the policies not those suffering under them.

You found what? Something horrifically extreme if I am to believe you.

As far as I know it was an issue back in the days when Enoch Powell was in his prime. Masses of immigrants came here from Uganda in the early 1970's when Idi Amin ejected tens of thousands of Ugandan Asians in an ethnic cleansing exercise. Hundreds of thousands perished at home in Uganda.
Immigration is nothing new for the UK. Especially from former colonies.

 

[wanton dwarf]

As far as I know it was an issue back in the days when Enoch Powell was in his prime. Masses of immigrants came here from Uganda in the early 1970's when Idi Amin ejected tens of thousands of Ugandan Asians in an ethnic cleansing exercise. Hundreds of thousands perished at home in Uganda.

So seeing as you brought this up... why did that happen and is there any parrallel today ?

 

[czechmate]

I'm a fully committed Brexiteer and watched Farage and most of the others in the EU parliament this morning. I found Farage truly embarrassing. He said a few straight truths, which didn't need saying, and the bit about the EU hierarchy being in denial is probably true etc. But he gloated, was personally insulting and plain wrong.

It was unnecessary, counter-productive and made me cringe. It won't change my opinion on Brexit, but I wish he had nothing to do with it now.

Herr Juncker was total rubbish. How on earth he is that position is beyond me. If left in power, he will cause other countries to leave all on his own. I heard they're trying to get rid if him. A commentator afterwards said the same thing. i.e. that other ppl in other EU countries will see the EU as a prison which threatens you when you want to leave, and will want to get out now rather than leave it ten years when it'll be worse.

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Yes I think we would all be better off without junker

 

[Cowabunga]

In practice one year and there was so many loopholes it was more or less unworkable and just a con to win votes

Show me. I have not seen the detail and am keen to be shown with the loopholes pointed out.
Thanks in advance.

 

[Cowabunga]

So seeing as you brought this up... why did that happen and is there any parrallel today ?

Were you actually unaware off this? Surely not?
Yes there are parallels in more recent history within the very heart of Europe. Not only the refugees from the far east currently but ethnic cleansing in the heart of Europe, in the Balkans. You must surely know this.

 

[wanton dwarf]

You found what? Something horrifically extreme if I am to believe you.

As far as I know it was an issue back in the days when Enoch Powell was in his prime. Masses of immigrants came here from Uganda in the early 1970's when Idi Amin ejected tens of thousands of Ugandan Asians in an ethnic cleansing exercise. Hundreds of thousands perished at home in Uganda.
Immigration is nothing new for the UK. Especially from former colonies.

The average was about 60,000 before mass immigration policies.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Were you actually unaware off this? Surely not?
Yes there are parallels in more recent history within the very heart of Europe. Not only the refugees from the far east currently but ethnic cleansing in the heart of Europe, in the Balkans. You must surely know this.

Rather than ducking the issue, why were the Asians attacked ?

 

[caveman]

Show me. I have not seen the detail and am keen to be shown with the loopholes pointed out.
Thanks in advance.

I did think that there was no way tax credits could of been with held from a European worker when the Englishman beside him with an equivilent family etc and on the same wage was getting it.

 

[Cowabunga]

Rather than ducking the issue, why were the Asians attacked ?

Because of race hate. Almost exactly for the same reasons that Hitler ordered the elimination of Jews and others during the WW2 period and sooner.
I am glad that you are keen to learn but surprised that your education did not furnish you the answers.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Because of race hate. Almost exactly for the same reasons that Hitler ordered the elimination of Jews and others during the WW2 period and sooner.
I am glad that you are keen to learn but surprised that your education did not furnish you the answers.

If race hate was the issue then they wouldn't have been in the country in the first place would they ?

 

[Cowabunga]

I did think that there was no way tax credits could of been with held from a European worker when the Englishman beside him with an equivilent family etc and on the same wage was getting it.

Some people are eligible for certain benefits and some not. That's quite normal already. The qualifying conditions were proposed to be changed to encourage only those that had jobs lined up or could fund their stay while they found work to come here. I would have hoped that it would have been quite effective. We will never know.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Show me. I have not seen the detail and am keen to be shown with the loopholes pointed out.
Thanks in advance.

Cameron’s negotiators were unable to remove the “tapering mechanism” which will see EU migrants start to receive benefits when they start to contribute to the system – probably after their first year of work.



” if the UK, or any other member state, can show that EU migrants are “putting an excessive pressure on the proper functioning of its public services”.

No details are provided on what “excessive pressure” ".However the control of the brake appearsto remain firmly in the hands of the Commission who must be "notified" by any member state that they believe they are eligible to use it.

The text also adds an important caveat that the “limitation should be graduated, from an initial complete exclusion” to be followed by “gradually increasing access to such benefits” the longer that an EU worker stays in the host member state’s labour market.

 

[Cowabunga]

If race hate was the issue then they wouldn't have been in the country in the first place would they ?

So you are scratching around for justification and excuses. I kind of thought so but hoped not. You have already demonstrated what you are so no need to underline it.

 

[caveman]

Some people are eligible for certain benefits and some not. That's quite normal already. The qualifying conditions were proposed to be changed to encourage only those that had jobs lined up or could fund their stay while they found work to come here. I would have hoped that it would have been quite effective. We will never know.

Yes.
But it was sold to the plebs on a premise of no benifits for x years.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Because of race hate. Almost exactly for the same reasons that Hitler ordered the elimination of Jews and others during the WW2 period and sooner.
I am glad that you are keen to learn but surprised that your education did not furnish you the answers.

Asians and Europeans were prevalent in the government and business of what is a predominantly black country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin

We are determined to make the ordinary Ugandan master of his own destiny and, above all, to see that he enjoys the wealth of his country. Our deliberate policy is to transfer the economic control of Uganda into the hands of Ugandans, for the first time in our country's history.

— Idi Amin on the persecution of minorities

In August 1972, Amin declared what he called an "economic war", a set of policies that included the expropriation of properties owned by Asians and Europeans. Uganda's 80,000 Asians were mostly from the Indian subcontinent and born in the country, their ancestors having come to Uganda when the country was still a British colony.