God it’s like the bbc in here
Farm accidents claim four lives in three weeks
- Thread starter Jason PaceWard
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This is no defence for not ‘RTFM’, but manufacturers are partly to blame for filling the first half of any manual with the kind of BS that is of very little relevance to anyone except a team of American corporate lawyers.
9 manuals out of 10 It’s unreadable gobbledygook, and detracts from the intended function of the manual, as well as reducing the likelihood of users reading and understanding issues and risks.
On something like a tractor with a 500 page manual, having to trawl through 250 pages extra pages such as ‘the sticker of a grease nipple is used to illustrate the position of a grease nipple’...
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Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
If that thing was to use a blind junction, one would hope that an escort would go in front and guide the driver out. It is commonly done around here both for long front overhangs and unusually wide machines.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
Not just you.
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- Lincolnshire
Hard dry ground this spring certainly shows up any deficiency in handbrake operation.
Was filling the spreader with a couple of bags, and as the weight went in it rolled forward just enough to get out from under the bags. Then about a bags worth of nitrate poured onto the ground. Nothing wrong with the handbrake but I hadn’t pulled it on hard enough in my haste to get on. Lesson learned. Could have been much worse.
Was filling the spreader with a couple of bags, and as the weight went in it rolled forward just enough to get out from under the bags. Then about a bags worth of nitrate poured onto the ground. Nothing wrong with the handbrake but I hadn’t pulled it on hard enough in my haste to get on. Lesson learned. Could have been much worse.
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- Ballyclare Northern Ireland
Have one of these, lives in the handler all the time was expensive for what it is but very good. Foldable blade so easy to store /keep sharp, long enough for reach but short enough to fit in cab , uses stanley knife blade so very sharp. plenty of farm merchants sell them link posted is only for example.
HAYKNIFE Tool For Safer Cutting Of Fertiliser & Seed Bags Or Bale Wrap & Net | eBay
HAYKNIFE Tool For Safer Cutting Of Fertiliser & Seed Bags Or Bale Wrap & Net | eBay
kiwi pom
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- canterbury NZ
I use to use a blade on a long stick years ago. If I remember right the three quarter ton dumpy's were handled on a cheap pallet, with the loop just used once when filling the spreader?
Anyway I assumed we'd have more high tech bag opening tools now but reading some of the comments on here, people still stand underneath with a pocket knife.
Bloody seed spud bags you had to untie underneath were really stupid.
betweenthelines
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- southwest
According to some on TFF, farming can't afford to be safe. I suspect the views of casualties are a bit different.
The sad thing is that safety isn't expensive, it's attitudes that need to change.
Plenty of people on this and other threads complaining about the difficulty of opening "big" seed and fert bags, but I doubt if even one has contacted a supplier or manufacturer, or looked at moving to bulk deliveries. Similar with gripes about hooking up/unhooking machinery-3pt linkage A frames have been around since Adam was a lad, but some people just like to keep things difficult.
The sad thing is that safety isn't expensive, it's attitudes that need to change.
Plenty of people on this and other threads complaining about the difficulty of opening "big" seed and fert bags, but I doubt if even one has contacted a supplier or manufacturer, or looked at moving to bulk deliveries. Similar with gripes about hooking up/unhooking machinery-3pt linkage A frames have been around since Adam was a lad, but some people just like to keep things difficult.
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- Lincolnshire
Talking of big bags, the label says use round tines, not many farms have them and the docks where they come from dont.. you would think a machine at the dock doing nothing else would.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
The majority of farmers are not of a scale where bulk delivery and handling is practical or indeed possible.
we have 3 A frames and some implements are fitted with receivers but its inappropriate for some like the sprayer and ferts spreader (which has a bag crane on it ) as it would push the weight further back .
Used to have a trailed sprayer which was way easier , could put an axle on the spreader i guess but the legs of the bag crane are good for setting down the front ... its just the spreader needing mods to stop it falling back over , it wouldnt take much for the manufacturers to put something like 3 or 4 simple detachable legs/frame on them imo. and supplied as a standard spec.
betweenthelines
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There was a time when farmers would have said they couldn't handle 500 or 750 kg bags
In any fatality investigation, one of the first questions HSE ask is "could the task have been done in a safer way?"
IMHO most "risky" tasks on farms, like filling drills from big bags, hooking up awkward bits of kit, can and should be engineered out.
May not be cheap, may not be easy, but this thinking (eliminate the risk) has been applied in other industries.
I've wondered what the legality of such combos are, let alone the safety aspects. Saw one last winter near Shrewsbury, massive press and tines up front and combi-drill behind. Dusk.... no lights!! How he could exit a junction safely would be an issue as you describe...
Y Fan Wen
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- N W Snowdonia
I've never used a Doe 3D myself, but the lad in college who had driven one on his farm placement said that it concentrated the mind wonderfully coming out of a field onto a road.
Should be amalgamated with the other farm safety thread.
If they can't get good enough or any free labour, it Needs an employed 'organiser' or mod. to sort stuff and keep it tidier, like in the past.
The 'main man' or one if them seems to be more interested in farting around with Facebook sort of threads., instead of doing something more relevant and productive.
betweenthelines
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Bit harsh slamming a site that is free to use.
There's an easy answer if you don't like it.
There's an easy answer if you don't like it.
Remember driving Doe Triple Ds in the 1960's. Fair bit hanging out the front when you exited a gateway.
Sad as it is to hear of deaths and accidents in any industry, With all the H&S procedures, risk assessments and method statements not forgetting common sense. We all at one time experience, "that moment" we didn't anticipate, finding ourselves in a dangerous situation we couldn't have foreseen!.. Unfortunately, you cannot teach or learn every possible scenario. Not that I'm saying we shouldn't try.
I saw a funny thing the other day that really rang true in terms of previous comments on here regarding manuals and their contents .
As others have said the first section of modern manuals are full of legal speak.
Unfortunately this is a combination of today’s litigious society, and( oh my god I am going to sound like my old man here!!) today’s generation.
The comment I saw was along the lines of “ Back in the day you got a manual with a car which contained instructions on how to set points and adjust carbs, now it has to contain warnings that you shouldn’t drink the battery acid.
As others have said the first section of modern manuals are full of legal speak.
Unfortunately this is a combination of today’s litigious society, and( oh my god I am going to sound like my old man here!!) today’s generation.
The comment I saw was along the lines of “ Back in the day you got a manual with a car which contained instructions on how to set points and adjust carbs, now it has to contain warnings that you shouldn’t drink the battery acid.