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Four of the last five Notifiable Agricultural Fatalities from the HSE involved machinery.
Three of them involved trailers.
One involved an ATV.
Three of them involved trailers.
One involved an ATV.
Talk is cheap.I agree H&S is a big issue, the fact its being talked about is only a positive thing irrespective of where on the forum its being posted. Once we've decided what we are going to do as regards a H&S section we'll move move threads. I'm sure @Chris F and @Clive will update as soon as a decision has been made, until then lets keep up the discussion.
I have seen a photo of a fertliser spreader with the pyramid knife mounted on top of the hopper, I am sure it would not be difficult to make, then all you would have to do is lower the bag onto the "spike" then lift up to empty the bag, to be honest I am surprised it isn't commercially availableIt is down to money. There are bag lifters out there with automatic cutters on them, if the user is prepared to buy.
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but that's not relevant to seed bags which are also emptied into hoppers.,it would interfere with the hopper cover as well, theory is one thing , practice is quite another.I have seen a photo of a fertliser spreader with the pyramid knife mounted on top of the hopper, I am sure it would not be difficult to make, then all you would have to do is lower the bag onto the "spike" then lift up to empty the bag, to be honest I am surprised it isn't commercially available
And since lockdown ended, there's been folks wandering around everywhere . In and out the yard....around the buildings.... This wouldn't be tolerated on a building site, but cos it's the countryside that's OK. I've ordered 2 x private signs to try and keep numpties out of the garden, 4x beware farm machinery signs for the yard, and whilst at it 3 fragile roof signs. 9x £12.95 each = £116 squid. Complete waste of time, but hopefully arse covered if ramblist gets impaled on a bale spike.
Also ordered a new tilt ram for forklift cos I didn't think it safe to repair the old one ( previous owner and main dealer I bought it from thought it acceptable, but that's another story )
Another £1k. So 10 small items, and 10% of the profit from my small arable farm gone.
Health and safety doesn't cost much..... What a load of fudgeing tosh.
These threads get my goat. Main cause of the issues ignored, whilst folks waffle on about farmers " poor attitude ". I honestly don't know anyone that gets up in the morning and says " You know what, I think I'll stick my head in a straw chopper and see what happens ".
After reading the tosh on here, I might be tempted though.
It is down to money. There are bag lifters out there with automatic cutters on them, if the user is prepared to buy.
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My sickle’s claim to fame is that it was once featured in the farm invention’s magazine. The same sickle, which had already done many year’s service, is still used today.
Jesus wept. It was bought because it was cheap. I wonder why ? That's right no money in the job. 20 years ago I'd have gone for quality over price, but times have changed.£116 on signage, the new ram is to replace a damaged one-hardly a H&S expense! Perhaps a bit more "safety" input into purchasing decisions would have helped.
You might get a more balanced view if you were to have a tour of a factory (no public access but loads of signs similar to those you have bought) or a building site (ditto for the signs + night security and lots of 8ft fencing panels to reduce unwanted visitors.
The most likely person to be injured on a farm is the farmer or a family member or a farm employee- I'd say a hundred quid or so (of tax deductible) signage is great value in protecting myself, or someone I know.
building site (ditto for the signs + night security and lots of 8ft fencing panels to reduce unwanted visitors.
Exactly that, ive had experience of a site construction company covering the costs of modem 'Health and Safety' with all the nonsense and uselessness that it involved (was run by an ex. M.Navy chap with no previous,aimless and looking for a job , just started a new Business as the modern H&s biss. is a good easy earner it seems ) ' and passing them on ,yet when i put in my modest bills for the grass seeding, fencing, hedge planting for the area reinstatement.And who pays for all that? The customer. It just gets added to the cost of the construction project. And as all people bidding for the job have to supply the same security they all add it, and its just a universal part of the bid. So ultimately the UK consumer pays for it.
Can farmers add the cost of farmyard security to the price of the produce? 'Hey Mr Tesco I know you bid £X for my fat beasts at the mart, but here's the extra bill for the H&S on my farm, please pay it within the month' Or do they just go and get cheap beef from Brazil where the odd dead farm worker is a fact of life?
Its one of the reasons farming in the UK is screwed. It lives within an economy where prices rise inexorably, especially the cost of labour and services, yet the output prices it receives stagnate at levels seen 30 years ago.
I've spent enough time loading Fert into spreaders, seed potatoes into planters and seed into drills over the years I was operating machinery to be aware of the risks associated with it, along with potato, forage and combine harvesters to know not what to stick my arm in while its running.Talk is cheap.
like ive said in my posts , ive already modified poorly designed by the manufacturer implements so the set down safer and are easier to rehitch and we use a bag crane which mean the 'bag man' is not under anything .
Please remind us what are your quantifications on the subject, the practical job of farming , that is ? that qualifies your comments..?
Sounds like you have plenty of experience on the ground /in practice then , so to speak,.I've spent enough time loading Fert into spreaders, seed potatoes into planters and seed into drills over the years I was operating machinery to be aware of the risks associated with it, along with potato, forage and combines harvesters to know not what to stick my arm in while its running.
Although I don't hold any H&S qualifications, I've been involved in enough method statements, risk assessments and H&S safety tests in construction, manufacturing and retail over the last 14 years to have pretty sound understanding of it, as did being part of an HSE investigation into an incident.
I don't profess to be an expert in any way and never have done.
Jesus wept. It was bought because it was cheap. I wonder why ? That's right no money in the job. 20 years ago I'd have gone for quality over price, but times have changed.
Anyway, ram could have been repaired again, but I deemed it not safe to do so. Looked like the cap had blown off at some point, and has been welded back on. Only visible once it had been removed from the headstock. I'll be keeping the machine for a long time, so I'll be spending money on it every year as and when till I'm happy with it.
You seem to have tried to set yourself up as an elf n safety guru. More like an ignorant troll .
And who pays for all that? The customer. It just gets added to the cost of the construction project. And as all people bidding for the job have to supply the same security they all add it, and its just a universal part of the bid. So ultimately the UK consumer pays for it.
Can farmers add the cost of farmyard security to the price of the produce? 'Hey Mr Tesco I know you bid £X for my fat beasts at the mart, but here's the extra bill for the H&S on my farm, please pay it within the month' Or do they just go and get cheap beef from Brazil where the odd dead farm worker is a fact of life?
Its one of the reasons farming in the UK is screwed. It lives within an economy where prices rise inexorably, especially the cost of labour and services, yet the output prices it receives stagnate at levels seen 30 years ago.
Sounds like you have plenty of experience on the ground /in practice then , so to speak,.
Clive started a very useful and pertinent thread , prompted i think, by yet more sad news of an accident, it needs to be at the top all the time, to help us in some way or another.
Quite simple to do i bet.
With due respect to the O.p. It s not so good that we have to be alerted to fundamentals by an Insurance agent.
Never seen any evidence that farm accident rates drop when profitability rises or vice versa.
1947 to 1970 was probably the most sustained period of farming profitability but ROPS still had to be enforced by statute