Farm rant

[Simplenewt2888]

My apologies if this is the incorrect thread!

Hi everyone, just wanted to see if anyone could help me with some questions. In the next 2 years or so, me and my partner would like to buy approx 5 acres of land to have some dairy cows, chickens and some vegetable patches (all for personal use, not commercial). When it comes to the type of land, planning permissions, and permits I am clueless. A lot of people would usually say what's the point in having a farm if you don't know what you're doing yet, but you've got to start somewhere to learn.

Anyway, these are the questions i wanted to ask:

-What type of land should I be looking for say I had around 3-4 cows and chickens/ what should i be wary of?

-When it comes to what I can have on the land (for example, barn, sheds etc) how do i go about finding out this information.

-How hard would it be, to take a piece of agricultural land and get permits to build a home on there (definitely not high in the priority list but would love to do this).

Hope I don't sound like too much of an idiot, and made some sense. Any reply would be greatly appreciated! Thank you.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

....well if you want 3 to 4 cows , a possibility of building a house, shed or barn then I would respectfully suggest you broaden your acreage to start with .

.......secondly they say dreams come true ,! If your does it won't be a dream it will be a miracle .

All the best in your search !

 

[Simplenewt2888]

....well if you want 3 to 4 cows , a possibility of building a house, shed or barn then I would respectfully suggest you broaden your acreage to start with .

.......secondly they say dreams come true ,! If your does it won't be a dream it will be a miracle .

All the best in your search !

I think it’s people like you that make people not want to try new things and ventures. Definitely not a far fetched goal at all on my part. Maybe if I was your age trying to do it, then I’d be buggered, but I’m young, ambitious, and life is just getting started.

Next time, don’t be a sarcastic Debbie downer, either leave advice or don’t comment at all.

All the best to the people that have to put up with you!

 

[Anymulewilldo]

I think it’s people like you that make people not want to try new things and ventures. Definitely not a far fetched goal at all on my part. Maybe if I was your age trying to do it, then I’d be buggered, but I’m young, ambitious, and life is just getting started.

Next time, don’t be a sarcastic Debbie downer, either leave advice or don’t comment at all.

All the best to the people that have to put up with you!

Erm. You won’t find a more charitable person on here than @Hfd Cattle. Everything he’s pointed out is true.

You obviously have issues with people pointing out faults in your ideas. He gave you advice about your acreage which is completely correct.

You won’t easily get planning permission for any kind of building or house with 5 acres if you’re going to try the agricultural use angle. I think it’s 5 or 6 hectares and then you have a much easier time getting permissive planning through as there is a minimum area requirement. Up to that point you require full planning which the moment you mention cows will become very expensive. 5 acres, to do everything you say will be a grazed off mud bath within 4 weeks.

I personally think it’s people like you who spoil the job for others by asking advice yet completely ignoring any offered advice if it doesn’t fit with your ideology. This why you don’t get any better because it’s easier to talk to a brick wall than the likes of you.

All the best with your venture, I pity the farmer who gets you for a neighbour.

 

[Alchad]

I think it’s people like you that make people not want to try new things and ventures. Definitely not a far fetched goal at all on my part. Maybe if I was your age trying to do it, then I’d be buggered, but I’m young, ambitious, and life is just getting started.

Next time, don’t be a sarcastic Debbie downer, either leave advice or don’t comment at all.

All the best to the people that have to put up with you!

I think as a new member you'd be well advised to re-read what Hfd Cattle said and then perhaps apologise to him. He's more than capable in responding but I read his reply as practical and common sense, Yours on the other hand was plainly rude.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

I think as a new member you'd be well advised to re-read what Hfd Cattle said and then perhaps apologise to him. He's more than capable in responding but I read his reply as practical and common sense, Yours on the other hand was plainly rude.

Well said

 

[Simplenewt2888]

Erm. You won’t find a more charitable person on here than @Hfd Cattle. Everything he’s pointed out is true.

You obviously have issues with people pointing out faults in your ideas. He gave you advice about your a


You won’t easily get planning permission for any kind of building or house with 5 acres if you’re going to try the agricultural use angle. I think it’s 5 or 6 hectares and then you have a much easier time getting permissive planning through as there is a minimum area requirement. Up to that point you require full planning which the moment you mention cows will become very expensive. 5 acres, to do everything you say will be a grazed off mud bath within 4 weeks.

I personally think it’s people like you who spoil the job for others by asking advice yet completely ignoring any offered advice if it doesn’t fit with your ideology. This why you don’t get any better because it’s easier to talk to a brick wall than the likes of you.

All the best with your venture, I pity the farmer who gets you for a neighbour.

 

[Simplenewt2888]

Look at the difference between your reply and his, I really appreciate your reply, and although you attempt to offend me at the end, I completely bypass that as your advice is genuinely helpful, so thank you. He could have just said, it would be very difficult to do, because of so and so… like you did. But he didn’t. No apologies coming from me, I feel like my response was rather warranted. Have a nice day!

 

[delilah]

Hope I don't sound like too much of an idiot

You're getting there.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I admire your desire to start something from scratch but unfortunately the planning system in England and Wales does not support the dreams of the ever growing number of people who want to have their own piece of land.

Your biggest obstacle will be the desire to live on site. Unless you buy somewhere with lawful residential accommodation you will have very little chance of creating a dwelling for yourself based on a few cows and some chickens. New dwellings in the countryside are only supported for essential rural workers and as the animals will be for your own enjoyment and not for financial gain you would not be classed as an essential worker - the council will turn around and say we're quite happy for you to have your small holding but you can run it just as well living in the next town or village where housing is acceptable.

When it comes to barns and structures planning is generally a bit easier providing you have a legitimate need but on five to six acres you will have no permitted development rights so any structure whether it be a chicken house or a hay barn will need planning permission.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Look at the difference between your reply and his, I really appreciate your reply, and although you attempt to offend me at the end, I completely bypass that as your advice is genuinely helpful, so thank you. He could have just said, it would be very difficult to do, because of so and so… like you did. But he didn’t. No apologies coming from me, I feel like my response was rather warranted. Have a nice day!

Xxxxx

 

[Simplenewt2888]

Thank you George, I knew it was definitely a near impossible thing to do but just thought I’d try and clue myself up for my own knowledge. Appreciate it!

 

[Hfd Cattle]

I think it’s people like you that make people not want to try new things and ventures. Definitely not a far fetched goal at all on my part. Maybe if I was your age trying to do it, then I’d be buggered, but I’m young, ambitious, and life is just getting started.

Next time, don’t be a sarcastic Debbie downer, either leave advice or don’t comment at all.

All the best to the people that have to put up with you!

I'm all for helping people try ,but it's got to be realistic . I'm afraid your ideal just isn't realistic . ......but perhaps my experience counts for nothing .... but it is 60 yrs worth and I count myself a successful businessman who started out with .........nothing !


......I just took opportunities that were realistic

 

[Simplenewt2888]

I couldn’t agree more, but maybe for someone who’s young and eager to learn. Respect the idea by telling them where they are going wrong, I’d love to hear advice from someone who has that much experience. Hope you can see from my perspective as I do yours. My apologies for the rudeness.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Thank you George, I knew it was definitely a near impossible thing to do but just thought I’d try and clue myself up for my own knowledge. Appreciate it!

If this is your real dream then honestly you need to find land with a convertable building or even better a dwelling.

Or do what I do, I live in a 2-up 2-down in a village and have my land 2 miles away where we keep sheep, chickens and horses.

If there was a way to do what you want to do I would have done it already!

 

[Simplenewt2888]

Definitely a good idea! Would be nice to live on the land but that’s the next best thing. This is something we were considering the most anyway, just wanted to know a bit more about the why’s, but you’ve summed it up nicely!

 

[ladycrofter]

I kept 6 cows and a bull on 18 acres of good land. Just as a point of reference.
Had to be kept in from late November to April to avoid said mud bath. Made enough silage there, and bought in 30 or so bales of straw for winter bedding.

You must MUST have a decent tractor with a loader if you're keeping cattle. And handling facilities - pens, with a race and crush. Vets won't wear "She's quiet I'll just catch her behind a gate." Most won't come out until you tell them she's penned ready for the crush.

 

[captain useless]

I couldn’t agree more, but maybe for someone who’s young and eager to learn. Respect the idea by telling them where they are going wrong, I’d love to hear advice from someone who has that much experience. Hope you can see from my perspective as I do yours. My apologies for the rudeness.

.....but his advice was ...... broaden your acreage for what you are dreaming for ....and then you slate him for it!!

.......I agree with others who have posted on this thread @Hfd Cattle is definitely one you want ....or need..to listen to and take advice off but you have obviously made your choice .
I speak as one who had benefitted from his generosity!!

 

[Simplenewt2888]

Very true! That’s another expense to consider for us. Did you have the cows for personal use? And based on what you had on the land did you feel like 18 acres was a good size, or would have been equally okay if the land was smaller? Thank you for the reply!

 

[Estate fencing.]

Do you know how much milk a cow will give? If you do and you drink 4 cows worth a day.