Not just every business but everybody
Farmers and Universal Credit
- Thread starter unlacedgecko
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- Scottish Borders
Absolutely! See the inefficient thread!
gone up the hill
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- Devon
Yes but the likes of PI ski either cannot or refuse to see that !
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- South Wales UK
Even their profitable business is funded by tax payers money, directly or indirectly who ever they want to look at it.
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
Plenty farms very profitable that relies on ones not so , we are all in in it together ,, take the little guys away the big boys will fail as well.
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- South Wales UK
Take away their 80k plus subsidy cheque off tax payers and see how they perform then???
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- High Weald AONB
Does anyone know if the gov is still running that very limited universal income scheme trial ? 🫤
well some are bitching cos they have had that cheque cut via the SFI cap, that's just cut not taken away altogether
some folk are not happy if there is just a little trickle of water down someone else's ditch
It’s because he is fortunate enough to have inherited a large farm!! Wish people like that would appreciate how fortunate they are.
You could be the best farmer with a little farm and not come close to the worst farmers income just because of bps. See plenty of crap farmers in range rovers and good ones having a small income just down to inheritance.
If the spoilt brats had hard times or had to work to get their farms up to what the smaller ones had to, maybe they’d hold their tounge in appreciate for the poor buggers who need UC instead of BPS
I’ll say again UC is for food and warmth, BPS is for the fendt and double cab, certainly the way it looks on here. Which Range Rover, which double cab threads are the most popular as usually with these folk
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
Tell me about it i know a guy inherited a super 3000acre place moans like fek , tight as fek and everyone else is a shyt farmer …. Im like ffs not everyone is a as fortunate as you ! Oh but i have worked for it . Yea right course you have , cant see past the end of his own nose .
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- East Dartmoor, Devon
IMO using taxpayers money to help people with children or encourage people to have children is a good thing. It is an investment in the future.
And I take it you think one person with kids shouldn't be penalised in comparison to another with kids just because of irregular income ?
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- South Wales UK
Unless Generations after Generations NEVER worked and know the benefits system better than the back of your hand.
Two things 1 , how many claimed the covid help payments, many claimed the free money ,tax payer paid money whether they needed it or not ,
2, if a farming business , a proper farm is claiming these payments,( like the ones in the story at the start which sparked this thread) ,if they have a turnover of say £70000 /100000 and because returns are poor in relative terms and they are making low profits, not enough to get by, i am not a accountant ,but i would have thought the net gain to the uk tax coffers is higher from them even with being paid benefits. The business produces money , very little kept by the farmer.and lots of tax creation on goods bought, which gets feed back into the uk hmrc coffers, Tax gets taken in many ways through stealth taxes, (example 12% on vehicle insurance)
so the farmer is producing a product which is needed to survive if you are a living thing, employment has been created by services needed, , infrastructure being supported to keep the so still putting a lot into the country, contributing probably as much or more than people on a wage being employed and probably contributing much more than many working in civil service doing non jobs,all at a cost to the tax payer
2, if a farming business , a proper farm is claiming these payments,( like the ones in the story at the start which sparked this thread) ,if they have a turnover of say £70000 /100000 and because returns are poor in relative terms and they are making low profits, not enough to get by, i am not a accountant ,but i would have thought the net gain to the uk tax coffers is higher from them even with being paid benefits. The business produces money , very little kept by the farmer.and lots of tax creation on goods bought, which gets feed back into the uk hmrc coffers, Tax gets taken in many ways through stealth taxes, (example 12% on vehicle insurance)
so the farmer is producing a product which is needed to survive if you are a living thing, employment has been created by services needed, , infrastructure being supported to keep the so still putting a lot into the country, contributing probably as much or more than people on a wage being employed and probably contributing much more than many working in civil service doing non jobs,all at a cost to the tax payer
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- East Dartmoor, Devon
I don't think people should be penalised, regardless of income.
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- South Wales UK
Most that claimed them had it paid back the following year through the HMRC self assessments returns systems.
Most paid the BBBL's back as loan repayments.
Wize guys again most likely went bang or disappeared leaving the "Genuine " persons to carry on repaying correctly.
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- South Wales UK
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- South West
Ummm I don’t know how to break it to you but I’ve not inherited anything, my father is still alive and kicking, and holding the cheque book, for ‘my’ arable enterprise and my brother’s dairy enterprise.
it’s 500 acres each, yes owned with no mortgage (which I appreciate is a good thing) but 500 acres is hardly a massive concern to pay the wages of 50% of father, myself and two employees on my arable side.
where I earn most of my money is my own haulage buisness which I started myself with no help from anyone and has zero government subsidies, and much more volatile costs… as I’ve said if you can’t earn enough from a Buisness to pull a wage it’s not a Buisness, and I would have no problem stopping farming and renting it out or selling it next year if my accounts were looking as poor as some of you seem to make out.
Want to claim UC while still having £1M+ in tangible assets, (stock land sheds machinery etc… ) how’s that right..?
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- South Wales UK
DWP PIP rule change sees people receive back payments of up to £11,000
The DWP is reviewing around 326,000 PIP cases after a change to the definition of 'social support'
www.walesonline.co.uk
merino
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- The North East
Average English farm size is 214 acres. Smaller than that in livestock areas.