Farmers are the donkey everyone rides

[red]

So the government can turn the UK into a playground import cheap food ,it may not be good longterm thinking but it's a vote winner, unless one of those Walston croud gets on his soap box again and let's on what is SFI payment is, for doing very little

Do you honestly expect the SFI payment to stay at its current level in the long-term, once they've got sufficient numbers depending on that payment they'll start reducing it, either directly or by not indexing it.

 

[Lowland1]

Why would they go to the hassle of producing food when they can can get a return for doing very little along with the benefits of land ownership.

Because it’s fun.

 

[DRC]

It probably is, farms sold at an 11% higher average acreage 2023, Non farmers bought 50% of the land. Some farmers faired well selling £16,000 an acre, averaging to £8700 an acre.
The thing is 40% goes to the basket tax man

Not if you’ve planned it properly and it can be as low as 10% with relief ( and then only 10% on a bit of the sale value )

 

[bumkin]

the problem is and always has been farmers can't count you only have to look at the price of store cattle because the price of fat cattle has gone up they compete even harder for the store cattle paying more for them than they were getting for the fat a couple of years ago it won't take much for the fat price to drop they often do their costing on the best results also most farmers are optimists i have been farming for over fifty years and seen all sorts of ups and downs as an old neighbor used to say i started with bugger all and managed to keep hold of some of it we are our own worst enemy whether it be pigs spuds or milk if there are a couple of good years we expand and overload the market. Don't get me wrong i think we need better support from the government but we are not going to get it i was talking to a chap from Westminster at a social doo and he was very scathing about farming and farmers he said our output in monetary terms is insignificant there is always plenty of food to import

 

[warksfarmer]

Because it’s fun.

Not anymore it’s not. Seed at £750/t. 150hp tractor at £150,000. 8% interest rates. Barley at £140/t. Wheat £170/t.

Too much shafting of farmers being going on and now it’s coming home to roost.

 

[Lowland1]

Not anymore it’s not. Seed at £750/t. 150hp tractor at £150,000. 8% interest rates. Barley at £140/t. Wheat £170/t.

Too much shafting of farmers being going on and now it’s coming home to roost.

It is if you've lots of money. I've a billionaire landlord he's having a blast.

 

[warksfarmer]

It is if you've lots of money. I've a billionaire landlord he's having a blast.

The landlords over here are the first ones going into SFI because they can earn triple rent values. There’s no point renting or running a contract farming agreement any longer.

 

[lloyd]

The landlords over here are the first ones going into SFI because they can earn triple rent values. There’s no point renting or running a contract farming agreement any longer.

Yet the large contract farmers on here seem very relaxed.

 

[warksfarmer]

Yet the large contract farmers on here seem very relaxed.

A very small amount tied into a deal maybe already. They’ll bring in some SFI to replace spring crops and then the landlords/land owners won’t renew the deal when the time comes because there’s more money to be made for doing very little than producing food.

 

[D14]

Yet the large contract farmers on here seem very relaxed.

1500ac has just been taken off a contract farmer locally. It’s all going into green schemes and they’ve put all the maintenance of it out to tender. Looking at the tender pack and options chosen the income will be around £750,000 a year with very little costs.

I’ve also been told that big estate sold in Northumberland is going entirely into a green scheme and the tenants are having to get solicitors. Whether it’s true I’ve no idea though.

 

[matthew]

the problem is and always has been farmers can't count you only have to look at the price of store cattle because the price of fat cattle has gone up they compete even harder for the store cattle paying more for them than they were getting for the fat a couple of years ago it won't take much for the fat price to drop they often do their costing on the best results also most farmers are optimists i have been farming for over fifty years and seen all sorts of ups and downs as an old neighbor used to say i started with bugger all and managed to keep hold of some of it we are our own worst enemy whether it be pigs spuds or milk if there are a couple of good years we expand and overload the market. Don't get me wrong i think we need better support from the government but we are not going to get it i was talking to a chap from Westminster at a social doo and he was very scathing about farming and farmers he said our output in monetary terms is insignificant there is always plenty of food to import

The problem with that argument, is that the majority of the EU members, and other western nations are on the same trajectory. We will be in a very long queue. Can we afford this? Can any nation afford to leave food and power to imports?
Someone will soon spot that vulnerability, and exploit it. A weakness we could and should avoid.

 

[daveydiesel1]

The problem with that argument, is that the majority of the EU members, and other western nations are on the same trajectory. We will be in a very long queue. Can we afford this? Can any nation afford to leave food and power to imports?
Someone will soon spot that vulnerability, and exploit it. A weakness we could and should avoid.

Mabe if they do that and some1 does exploit them its the only way theyl see sence and start and back us

 

[glasshouse]

Dyson and his like would soon make up the shortfalls. The truth is no one in government has any sympathy whilst you're sitting on multi-million pounds of assets bellyaching about how hard-done-by you are. Sell up and live the easy life and let someone else have a go. Isn't this why we Brexited to sort the wheat from the chaff or did I misunderstand the arguments for leaving the EU?

I said ALL give up

 

[kiwi pom]

A very small amount tied into a deal maybe already. They’ll bring in some SFI to replace spring crops and then the landlords/land owners won’t renew the deal when the time comes because there’s more money to be made for doing very little than producing food.

Landowners will do whatever makes them the most money, anyone depending on them from service trades to employees including contract farmers, will be out of luck.
If the pendulum swings back to food production (and it will) the landowners will move back into that area.
Not much anyone can do about it. You seem worried, I thought you were in the landowner camp?

 

[red]

I said ALL give up

That's NEVER going to happen, I remember my grandfather telling me how in the ’30s the dairy farmers tried to withhold the milk and there were always plenty of ‘scabs’ who would be sneaking their milk into the dairies.
Can't you see it on here, there's loads who would see it as an opportunity for themselves, Clive had made it plain how he would respond.

 

[kiwi pom]

I said ALL give up

Not going to happen, there's always someone who will have a go.
We're not giving up eating, IF food got short the pendulum would swing back to incentivising food production and those who own the land will re start farming for food.

 

[daveydiesel1]

Landowners will do whatever makes them the most money, anyone depending on them from service trades to employees including contract farmers, will be out of luck.
If the pendulum swings back to food production (and it will) the landowners will move back into that area.
Not much anyone can do about it. You seem worried, I thought you were in the landowner camp?

Not always, lots of farmers are in it because they have a passion for the job so wont be quitin, theres also the what would the neighbours say that keeps some going

 

[glasshouse]

That's NEVER going to happen, I remember my grandfather telling me how in the ’30s the dairy farmers tried to withhold the milk and there were always plenty of ‘scabs’ who would be sneaking their milk into the dairies.
Can't you see it on here, there's loads who would see it as an opportunity for themselves, Clive had made it plain how he would respond

You dont say

 

[glasshouse]

Not going to happen, there's always someone who will have a go.
We're not giving up eating, IF food got short the pendulum would swing back to incentivising food production and those who own the land will re start farming for food.

Really???

 

[glasshouse]

Landowners will do whatever makes them the most money, anyone depending on them from service trades to employees including contract farmers, will be out of luck.
If the pendulum swings back to food production (and it will) the landowners will move back into that area.
Not much anyone can do about it. You seem worried, I thought you were in the landowner camp?

No they wont. English rpa is going to withhold subsidy from land where a tenant has been removed