Farmers giving up due to Brexit?

[james ds]

in ireland?
outside?

It's in Ireland , co Louth

 

[glasshouse]

It's in Ireland , co Louth

it must be a sea of sh!t without a roof.

 

[james ds]

it must be a sea of sh!t without a roof.

All under roof .

 

[Henarar]

Greed

 

[caveman]

Truth of the matter is we ain't seen nothing yet in automation and robotics.
Come the day. Every single person will be paid a subsistence allowance from the government raised from taxes on the multinationals who will produce every thing we need with skeleton work forces.
Life as we know it is doomed.

 

[Henarar]

Truth of the matter is we ain't seen nothing yet in automation and robotics.
Come the day. Every single person will be paid a subsistence allowance from the government raised from taxes on the multinationals who will produce every thing we need with skeleton work forces.
Life as we know it is doomed.

sounds bloody boring

 

[caveman]

sounds bloody boring

It will be.

 

[czechmate]

Truth of the matter is we ain't seen nothing yet in automation and robotics.
Come the day. Every single person will be paid a subsistence allowance from the government raised from taxes on the multinationals who will produce every thing we need with skeleton work forces.
Life as we know it is doomed.

Did you see. "Wall e"

 

[ollie989898]

Truth of the matter is we ain't seen nothing yet in automation and robotics.
Come the day. Every single person will be paid a subsistence allowance from the government raised from taxes on the multinationals who will produce every thing we need with skeleton work forces.
Life as we know it is doomed.

They said the same about steam powered looms and trip hammers I am sure.

 

[GTB]

They said the same about steam powered looms and trip hammers I am sure.

When thousands of acres of hill land were planted with coniferous trees in the fifties and sixties they said there would be work for hundreds of men when they would be ready to harvest. Roll on fifty years and two men can clear acres per day without even breaking a sweat.

 

[caveman]

Did you see. "Wall e"

No.
Linkies please.

 

[czechmate]

It's a great futuristic kids film.
Folk don't/can't do anything fir themselves, just fat blubber that can't even get out if a chair

 

[DRC]

Whatever happens, the supply industries will have to take some of the pain. only this week I was told of imminent 10% increase in tractor and machinery prices, not to mention fertiliser and other inputs.
Either we get decent price rises for our commodities, or serious reductions in our costs of production.

 

[czechmate]

Whatever happens, the supply industries will have to take some of the pain. only this week I was told of imminent 10% increase in tractor and machinery prices, not to mention fertiliser and other inputs.
Either we get decent price rises for our commodities, or serious reductions in our costs of production.

Exchange rate...

 

[texel-tom]

Im not being negative actually, far from it.

Intrestingly a few days ago when it was pointed out that if subs go and Ollie was asked if farm gate prices reduced 20/30% ( if trade deals do go against us ) would he cut the prices he charges farmers and he said straight away no as there wouldn't be any margin if he did that yet whilst he keeps on telling farmers that they need to be more efficient etc so they can compete on a global market he quite clearly isn't prepared/ or considered that he will need to do the same and become much more efficient both himself and along his entire supply chain.

Fine to say farmers need to get more efficient but that apply's to the AG supply sector as well and those savings need to be passed back to farmers.

80% of land in the UK that is being farmed now will still be farmed in the UK in 50 years time I have no doubt ( the other 20% will no doubt have had houses/ roads built on it.[/QUOTE

Im not sure that Ollie slashing his fees would represent a gain in efficiency for him?. Either way from my limited understating of what happened in NZ its going to be the Ag supply sector that takes the first hit should the worst happen and agriculture be thrown to the wolves post brexit.

And why should those saving be passed back to farmers? - If you cut your own cost do you in turn pass those saving on?

 

[Bossfarmer]

Primary industry.

I have seen agriculture in many countries. Brazil. Eastern Europe. USA. South Africa.

There are farming operations out there that operate on a scale a barley baron in Wiltshire doesnt even dream of. There is one business in Eastern Germany that runs 25 Claas Lexion combines. In South Africa I saw a beef finishing unit that had 20,000 animals in feedlots and it was considered a modest one.

This is precisely the same as mining. Very high levels of output per worker to ensure minimal cost per unit product sold.

This is how the industry globally operates. Minimal market support and wide volatility. But they survive. No family operations because the capital cost of entry is sky high.

As I see it farming is at a crossroads.

You can cling to the hope your government will give you tax payer cash to support the industry for whatever reason is deemed valid.

You can innovate and sell added value products and accept what hurdles that entails.

You can farm smarter and better and be in the top slice of the industry who have boxed clever too. How they do this is as individual as every farm, there is no right answer.

You can upscale and reduce costs that way.

You can do nothing, moan like feck and retire at the end of the day bitter and twisted.

You can get out now and enjoy life doing whatever.

There needs to be a reality check.

I keep seeing people talk about this mythical level playing field.

It does not exist. Never has. Stop looking for one. How in the hell can there be? The American corn producer can drive 3 miles in all directions with not a hill, a pylon or a ditch to stop him. A Kiwi farmer has weather which will grow virtually anything and a government which has forged international trade deals to sell immense amounts of product their own population could not eat in a 100 years of trying.
The South African farmer can keep thousands of animals outside and never get mud stuck to his boots.

Leve playing field? You are having a laugh.

**** Excellent post******

Ive been saying for a while now UK farming will become industrialised if subs are removed completely I even started a thread about it but some lad with a few chickens kept insisting there was no need for subs as HE could currently get by without, he failed to realise the niche sectors such as his would soon be over produced too as tens/hundreds of thousands of beef/sheep/dairy/arable farmers desperately try to diversify into anything they think can make money!

 

[Henarar]

And why should those saving be passed back to farmers? - If you cut your own cost do you in turn pass those saving on?

well yes farmers do

 

[texel-tom]

well yes farmers do

Really? So if you cut your cost of production you would voluntary offer up your stock at a lower price in order to reflect that?

I suppose farmers are price takers by and large, so in fact don't get much choice in the matter. I concede i may well be wrong.

 

[james ds]

Really? So if you cut your cost of production you would voluntary offer up your stock at a lower price in order to reflect that?

I suppose farmers are price takers by and large, so in fact don't get much choice in the matter. I concede i may well be wrong.

The price of grain paid to farmers is lower now than 30 yrs ago . , inputs 30 yards ago were only 30% of what they are now . Explain how it can be done .

 

[Henarar]

Really? So if you cut your cost of production you would voluntary offer up your stock at a lower price in order to reflect that?

I suppose farmers are price takers by and large, so in fact don't get much choice in the matter. I concede i may well be wrong.

that's what I meant, when farmers become more efficient they don't get to keep the extra money for long