Farming in the future
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Steevo
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Partly agree, but surely this will just trigger a rise in input costs too?
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Or costs fall....
Input prices are climbing in any case
Diesel has gone from 42ppl to 60ppl over last 6 months, electricity prices are rising, fertiliser up over £50/t from spring, machinery up 10%+ since turn of the year and so on.
My milk price? Static
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Find a way to use less of them?
Costs can fall by using less inputs as well as by the cost of those inputs falling.
It may (or may not) even be possible to leave more annual profit by producing less milk (or any other product) if you can find a way to cut the costs more than the income in the process.
We spend our life looking at cost cutting ... or should I say, becoming more efficient through marginal gains. However, a great deal is beyond things we can control.
Food is too cheap and too undervalued. End of.
icanshootwell
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Rubbish, nearly every item i picked up was from China, others items were from eastern block and vietnam.
Defra have an ELMS engagement group, comprising 19 organisations with a stake in food, farming and the natural environment. None of those organisations you list are part of that engagement group, so on that basis I would say that you have gone way way off topic.
betweenthelines
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I think we all over estimate both the size of and the influence of the XR and vegan movements. Just because they make a lot of noise on social media doesn't mean they have widespread support. It's particularly noticeable that many of those charged after the London XR protests were from overseas, indicating that there isn't a huge level of support in the UK. Ten people may protest at a pig farm, but they will have travelled many miles to do so.
The percentage of the population that are vegan or vegetarian has hardly changed over the past 50 years and what did most people want to do as soon as lock down was eased? Get on a plane and fly away for a non essential holiday
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100%. As I have pointed out on here from day 1, XR are not the environmental movement and they wont be around for long.
toquark
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You suggested we need to engage with the social justice movement.
I always respect what you have to say on this forum, but I think you’re being very naive here. These people won’t go away or quieten down if we throw them a bone or two, they’ll just keep coming. They don’t give a fig about ELMS. They’re only interested in changing society towards their ideology, and they use the Trojan horses of “social justice” and environmentalism to hide behind.
But yeah, back to the point…
toquark
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I agree to the extent that the overtly extreme organisations are small, noisy but not at all representative. The RSPB and the NT are good examples of massively influential organisations with huge memberships who have largely come under the spell of the more insidious elements of the environmental and social justice movements.
Apologies, perhaps I have misled through through use of the phrase 'social justice movement'. By that, in the context of 'Farming in the future' I mean the organisations listed on the below. I don't think many of your fruitcake organisations will be on there, at least I hope not.
edit: click on F as an example of the organisations I mean. For sure, you wont agree with everything that all of them say, but there are huge areas of common ground. Those organisations have influence, they have intelligent, committed people who want the same things that you want, and they have a mandate to speak on behalf of membership numbers that UK ag can only dream of.
https://www.sustainweb.org/membership/
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
An interesting list, thanks.
On the "social justice" and farming theme I've seen the issue raised before, though mainly in an antipodean context, of a "licence to farm". Ultimately this could be a factor in the future of farming in the UK. It revolves around society agreeing with the broad approach being taken to producing food from the land and preventing farmers from trading who do not conform to that agreed broad approach.
Quite how it could apply here, where land ownership rights are so strongly held, is hard to see but that direction of travel is visible in the approach of the Scottish Government with it's right to roam and right of community land purchase legislation.
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
That's been the case over the last 4 decades or so....
Yes this just look at the vegan messages sent to that poor farmer who’s child died on the farm
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
I'd welcome greater public access on the condition that it was undertaken following a total review of the purpose of public access to the countryside and a thorough updating of UK countryside access law.
Our PRoW legislation and network is no longer fit for purpose imho.
All paths through working farmyards should be extinguished on H&S grounds alone. Where the use of paths causes damage or needs maintenance (clearing litter etc) it should come with a charge.
It's mad that people keep being killed by cattle in fields but the occupier cannot legally divert the path while the field is grazed.
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