Fendt 724, heavy rear mounted implement.

[ollie989898]

How much is it to refurbish a back end that has a lot of linkage wear? Someone must have done it, surely.

 

[chickens and wheat]

Go off and birch yourself in the privates with nettles and brambles

Gentlemen , this is not a fetish dating site

 

[KB6930]

The fendt crossshaft is oil which is a great design. Deere crossshafts are a bit rubbish

We used to wear them put regularly but not any more

 

[Gerbert]

Around here you would need a massive tractor to pull a trailed plough. Pulling uphill with soft greasy bits would have almost anything digging holes. Mounted is essential for most outfits to keep moving.
The problem your seeing is that the rear linkage (especially deere) is simply underbuilt. A 200 hp tractor should be able to plough with 6f for 10'000 hours straight and have as good as no wear. Look at an excavator, 10'000 hours of the rams getting stalled and no wear.. And the parts are cheap to replace for what they are.
Deere and the others are just laughing as you buy loads of new parts while continuing to charge top money. At least the fendt and fastrac has a strong cross-shaft and a few grease nipples dotted about but I can't remember what the deere has in the way of grease points?
The back end of big tractors needs plant machinery type construction, sealed spherical and plain hardened bushes supplied with grease from an autolube system. Too busy putting their effort into high tech and ignoring the basics..

Let me get this right, do you actually think JD's have no greasenipples on the 3 point?

 

[Fendtbro]

Let me get this right, do you actually think JD's have no greasenipples on the

That's why I said I can't remember but I'm sure you can tell me? Seems to be people on here concerned about linkage wear..

 

[Chae1]

How much is it to refurbish a back end that has a lot of linkage wear? Someone must have done it, surely.

Think it was £3600 to do our new Holland. That included 2 new drop arms.

That was done under warranty, so at under 3k hours.

New Holland have updated the cross shaft. Can't remember if bigger or smaller splines. Hasn't been any bother since. Kept eating seals on end before and leaking oil.

 

[Gerbert]

That's why I said I can't remember but I'm sure you can tell me? Seems to be people on here concerned about linkage wear..

As it turns out, they do have greasenipples yes.

 

[Chae1]

The fendt crossshaft is oil which is a great design. Deere crossshafts are a bit rubbish

The oil collected from spools is piped in back on ours.

The do have 2 grease nipples on back of cross shaft. I'd a mechanic come out and go over it with me last week. He said most people miss them and they start creaking when drilling in dusty conditions.

 

[Spud]

Around here you would need a massive tractor to pull a trailed plough. Pulling uphill with soft greasy bits would have almost anything digging holes. Mounted is essential for most outfits to keep moving.
The problem your seeing is that the rear linkage (especially deere) is simply underbuilt. A 200 hp tractor should be able to plough with 6f for 10'000 hours straight and have as good as no wear. Look at an excavator, 10'000 hours of the rams getting stalled and no wear.. And the parts are cheap to replace for what they are.
Deere and the others are just laughing as you buy loads of new parts while continuing to charge top money. At least the fendt and fastrac has a strong cross-shaft and a few grease nipples dotted about but I can't remember what the deere has in the way of grease points?
The back end of big tractors needs plant machinery type construction, sealed spherical and plain hardened bushes supplied with grease from an autolube system. Too busy putting their effort into high tech and ignoring the basics..

That's a myth. Why should a semi mounted plough be any harder to pull than a mounted one? A mounted runs the top link in the slot, a wagon plough doesn't have a slot, and so is easier to pull due to better traction. Both need an operator that knows how to set them up, particularly in challenging conditions

 

[daveydiesel1]

The oil collected from spools is piped in back on ours.

The do have 2 grease nipples on back of cross shaft. I'd a mechanic come out and go over it with me last week. He said most people miss them and they start creaking when drilling in dusty conditions.

Must have changed, mines oil immersed. Must check it as its something i keep meaning to do

 

[Chae1]

Must have changed, mines oil immersed. Must check it as its something i keep meaning to do

They maybe still are.

But the oil collected from spools definitely are piped in there.

New Holland was oil immersed! Know that cause seals went and it leaked

 

[Secret Agronomist]

One of reasons I chose it was scope to add weight.

It's a 8t tractor with max gross weight of 14t. Not many other tractors allow that much additional weight to be added. Fastrac maybe exception.

Will have 4m folding combi drill with front tank on it next. Then 4k litre mounted sprayer. So wanted option to add lots of weight.

Sounds like solution for plough is going to be to add more weight on front.

How do you get 4000L on a mounted sprayer, 2 and 2?

 

[Speedstar]

That's a myth. Why should a semi mounted plough be any harder to pull than a mounted one? A mounted runs the top link in the slot, a wagon plough doesn't have a slot, and so is easier to pull due to better traction. Both need an operator that knows how to set them up, particularly in challenging conditions

We had a KV PB100 5 furrow semi mounted plough & it was the most dangerous thing on earth on hills , the number of times it had tractor on one wheel was unreal , we tried to pull it with a MF 6290 & a 7620 both were a waste of time on it only had it for year & when back to mounted one

 

[Speedstar]

They maybe still are.

But the oil collected from spools definitely are piped in there.

New Holland was oil immersed! Know that cause seals went and it leaked

The oil is only store in there & let out at every service , Grease the cross shaft & the linkage & it will not wear unlike most other tractors it will still be good tight way past 10,000 hours

 

[Spud]

We had a KV PB100 5 furrow semi mounted plough & it was the most dangerous thing on earth on hills , the number of times it had tractor on one wheel was unreal , we tried to pull it with a MF 6290 & a 7620 both were a waste of time on it only had it for year & when back to mounted one

A lot is down to how their driven, but there's a big difference in stability between a PB & say an RW or an RL100

 

[Fendtbro]

That's a myth. Why should a semi mounted plough be any harder to pull than a mounted one? A mounted runs the top link in the slot, a wagon plough doesn't have a slot, and so is easier to pull due to better traction. Both need an operator that knows how to set them up, particularly in challenging conditions

Think we are talking cross purposes here. Steep slopes all over the place will stop a trailed plough surely. I've never tried one but you are holding the mounted on the lift while climbing the bad bits transferring full downforce to the back tyres. That's what gives you the grip. Slotted hole lovely idea but works better in the nicer conditions

 

[Fendtbro]

As it turns out, they do have greasenipples yes.

On every part excluding linkage balls?

 

[Spud]

Think we are talking cross purposes here. Steep slopes all over the place will stop a trailed plough surely. I've never tried one but you are holding the mounted on the lift while climbing the bad bits transferring full downforce to the back tyres. That's what gives you the grip. Slotted hole lovely idea but works better in the nicer conditions

If you have the entire weight of a mounted plough plus suction held on the linkage in work you'll break the plough soon enough - the slotted hole is there for a reason. Our 7f wagon plough takes no more pulling than the 5f mounted in everything other than really bad going, but its not a plough you can chuck anyone on, it needs a bit of patience to master the art first. Its much more productive and kinder on the tractor than our 6f fully mounted Dowdeswell ever was. Much more civilised on the road too

 

[ollie989898]

Think it was £3600 to do our new Holland. That included 2 new drop arms.

That was done under warranty, so at under 3k hours.

New Holland have updated the cross shaft. Can't remember if bigger or smaller splines. Hasn't been any bother since. Kept eating seals on end before and leaking oil.

Not daft money then really.

 

[Chae1]

How do you get 4000L on a mounted sprayer, 2 and 2?

Yes. That's previous tractor. It handled it fine.