Fertiliser for Grazing - what do you do?

[Jonny B88]

I'd look at fibrophos if indexes were that bad.

Is it priced similar to MOP and DAP? Does it do a better job of raising indexes?

Also does anyone know if it is available in Northern Ireland?

 

[scholland]

Is it priced similar to MOP and DAP? Does it do a better job of raising indexes?

Also does anyone know if it is available in Northern Ireland?

Well I'm on Shetland and mine is arriving today so I'm sure you could get it in n Ireland. No point me talking price as haulage makes it dearer here. Meant to be very good product though.
http://www.fibrophos.co.uk/

 

[Dave6170]

Is there much point putting fibrophos on after silage at the end of june? Or is it better in spring? This spring was sh!t so never got a chance.

 

[clemmo]

Sooner it's on the sooner it's doing the job!

 

[Bossfarmer]

Explain please. Thanks.

Ash

the dung from the cows with barley in it has higher nutrient value and has acted like a fert

 

[Jonny B88]

Well I'm on Shetland and mine is arriving today so I'm sure you could get it in n Ireland. No point me talking price as haulage makes it dearer here. Meant to be very good product though.
http://www.fibrophos.co.uk/

Yea was on that site earlier, I take it that t comes in bulk not bags?

 

[clemmo]

Yep normally spread with a lime spreader

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Yes, bulk deliveries .

If you give them a call they will tell you if they deliver to Ireland

 

[neilo]

the dung from the cows with barley in it has higher nutrient value and has acted like a fert

It wouldn't have an appreciably higher nutrient value, just more of it. The herd of cows on that field would have had more going in the front end, so more coming out the back, either from their being more cows or being there for longer.

 

[scholland]

Yea was on that site earlier, I take it that t comes in bulk not bags?

It can be bought in half ton bags, dearer obviously.

 

[Bossfarmer]

It wouldn't have an appreciably higher nutrient value, just more of it. The herd of cows on that field would have had more going in the front end, so more coming out the back, either from their being more cows or being there for longer.

yes the other cows were basically just recycling the grass wheras the ones being fed were importing p & k so to speak

 

[Bossfarmer]

more ammonia also

 

[Jez Agronomist]

How can it make things even worse in the short term? Too acidic? Only stuff we have would be out the shed or midden which is only this past winters dung. Would slurry from a digester be a better option in that case, may have access to that.

If the carbon : nitrogen ratio is too high the soil micro organisms will use up a lot of nitrogen themselves as they get to work on the manure making it temporarily unavailable to plants until the breakdown is complete. And to some extent the same will apply to P and some of the other nutrients too. Wouldn't normally be an issue but with zero indices it could be more of one.

 

[Lucas Mac]

Interesting thread, hard to beat practical knowledge

 

[Cab-over Pete]

If the carbon : nitrogen ratio is too high the soil micro organisms will use up a lot of nitrogen themselves as they get to work on the manure making it temporarily unavailable to plants until the breakdown is complete. And to some extent the same will apply to P and some of the other nutrients too. Wouldn't normally be an issue but with zero indices it could be more of one.

That said, I don't think applying manure can ever be seen as a bad thing.

Get it on.

 

[Jonny B88]

If the carbon : nitrogen ratio is too high the soil micro organisms will use up a lot of nitrogen themselves as they get to work on the manure making it temporarily unavailable to plants until the breakdown is complete. And to some extent the same will apply to P and some of the other nutrients too. Wouldn't normally be an issue but with zero indices it could be more of one.

So what your saying is that the uptake of nutrients will be slower, but they will still be there to be available to the crop?

Also does that been slurry would be more suitable?

 

[hillman]

Is it priced similar to MOP and DAP? Does it do a better job of raising indexes?

Also does anyone know if it is available in Northern Ireland?

It's over here in Tipperary

 

[Jonny B88]

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It's over here in Tipperary

Ah good old done deal!

 

[Lovegoodstock]

So on say a 300 acre farm you would be running 900 ewes, 300 suckler cows and 600 yearling store cattle on 255 of the acres in grass? And on 210 of the acres when you've turned out for silage?

Sorry wrote it badly, the cows with the yearlings combined are stocked 1 to the acre. 800 acres we have just under 130a of wheat, normally silage, but obviously depends on stocks and years grass growth, just over 100 acres. We run 250 cows, normally 50 bulling heifers, followers and again depending on the year, bought suckled calves just summered and housed for re sale for a few months. Sheep mainly ewe lambs so smaller, but would be good theaves up to 80 something kilo

 

[Bossfarmer]

Sorry wrote it badly, the cows with the yearlings combined are stocked 1 to the acre. 800 acres we have just under 130a of wheat, normally silage, but obviously depends on stocks and years grass growth, just over 100 acres. We run 250 cows, normally 50 bulling heifers, followers and again depending on the year, bought suckled calves just summered and housed for re sale for a few months. Sheep mainly ewe lambs so smaller, but would be good theaves up to 80 something kilo

do you buy the suckled calves and then sell as stores?