Fertiliser Price Tracker

[JCfarmer]

Is that allowed under EU law , fukin doubt it

Ah, you've just got to be creative with the wording. Bps hardship top-up, who knows. Just give it a weird name and crack on.

Creative wording like bobk?

 

[Old apprentice]

UK govt more likely to announce subsidies for grain imports to keep down prices for consumers and fertilizer rationing to keep down profit-led demand from farmers.

That just about sums our idiots up!

 

[livestock 1]

Creative wording like bobk?

I couldn’t have put it better myself

 

[county down]

Urea 800€ tonne, ordered some.

cheap compared with uk

 

[Cowabunga]

Wynnstay Top crop blend 27-3-3 + 10sulphur £741 Just ordered 15T

I ordered exactly the same analysis for a bit less cost [-£60/ton] last week, probably because I want a full artic load and the price was increased a couple of hours after my order was placed. It may well be the same stuff exactly but in Origin branded bags. This is equal to £2.50/kilo N with the P K and S effectively free… see below for Nitram cost.

Had phonecall today to inform me that the ship has been ‘quarantined’, which probably means that it is either Russian owned or registered or that its cargo is Russian, and that it will be delayed by at least two weeks. I suspect that there is a possibility that it will never arrive.

At the same time as I was quoted for the Origin, I was also offered CF Nitram at £955/ton. £2.76 per kiloN

 

[aled1590]

I ordered exactly the same analysis for a bit less cost [-£60/ton] last week, probably because I want a full artic load and the price was increased a couple of hours after my order was placed. It may well be the same stuff exactly but in Origin branded bags. This is equal to £2.50/kilo N with the P K and S effectively free… see below for Nitram cost.

Had phonecall today to inform me that the ship has been ‘quarantined’, which probably means that it is either Russian owned or registered or that its cargo is Russian, and that it will be delayed by at least two weeks. I suspect that there is a possibility that it will never arrive.

At the same time as I was quoted for the Origin, I was also offered CF Nitram at £955/ton. £2.76 per kiloN

Bugger with the 60 quid extra and bugger with the quarantined ship I ordered 15T of cf nitram in January at £650, extremely painful at the time but good job I did

 

[ajd132]

Wish I had bought more urea at £830 for next year, wheat ar £200 still offers good profits.
Can’t see either dropping below that for a long time?

 

[Renaultman]

Wish I had bought more urea at £830 for next year, wheat ar £200 still offers good profits.
Can’t see either dropping below that for a long time?

But you need £300 to make a profit at these costs?

 

[ajd132]

But you need £300 to make a profit at these costs?

No you don’t!

 

[curlietailz]

No you don’t!

At £1000/ton N = £50/cwt
Old fashioned… wheat at 4cwt/acre = 170kg/ha = £200/acre in N
Seed at £600/ton and 12stone/acre =
£45/acre
Spray… who knows. Let’s say £100/acre
P&K ?? Gotta give it a bit. Say 1cwt
£50/acre
Variable costs = £395/acre
Selling wheat forward at £250
So that means 1.58ton/acre is for Variale costs
At 170kg/ha N you might expect a 3 ton crop??
3x £250 = 750. - £395 = £355 Gross Margin.

IF you get a 3 ton crop
If you lock in £250/ron
If it’s not a wet harvest and drying costs are extortionate
If diesel doesn’t rise above £1/l
If you have the cash available to buy a £29000 + VAT load of fertilizer ( it was around £8500 last year)
If you can face the high stake risks

wheat may be growable at £1000/t fert

 

[jendan]

But you need £300 to make a profit at these costs?

£20/acre profit on 4500 acres gives you a good living.

 

[David.]

Do not think myself physically capable of writing out a cheque for £29k for a load of fertiliser.
I'm still thinking gap year and concentrate on the sheep. Shall blow a bit of rent, but hey ho. I am more annoyed about being the only one in a high stakes game who doesn't get a guaranteed profit before the crop is even harvested than I am about parking up and sitting it out.
The supply chain loves the gotta be in it to win it mentality.

 

[lloyd]

Wow the amount of people who can grow
continuous wheat is astonishing!

 

[B'o'B]

No you don’t!

Depends how much N cover you have going into 2023 and how much you’ll have to pay for the balance.
AN is already knocking on the door of £2.90/kg N.

 

[milkloss]

Do not think myself physically capable of writing out a cheque for £29k for a load of fertiliser.
I'm still thinking gap year and concentrate on the sheep.

What's surprising me is how much cash there seems to be knocking about to pay for it. Other farmers have been doing a lot better than I thought.

 

[lloyd]

What's surprising me is how much cash there seems to be knocking about to pay for it. Other farmers have been doing a lot better than I thought.

Mostly rich dairy farmers buying it now though!

 

[Steevo]

£20/acre profit on 4500 acres gives you a good living.

Plant nothing and at £100/ac rent you’re knocking on the door of half a million outlay for no return. (Different for CFA I guess).

Rock and a hard place springs to mind.

 

[ajd132]

At £1000/ton N = £50/cwt
Old fashioned… wheat at 4cwt/acre = 170kg/ha = £200/acre in N
Seed at £600/ton and 12stone/acre =
£45/acre
Spray… who knows. Let’s say £100/acre
P&K ?? Gotta give it a bit. Say 1cwt
£50/acre
Variable costs = £395/acre
Selling wheat forward at £250
So that means 1.58ton/acre is for Variale costs
At 170kg/ha N you might expect a 3 ton crop??
3x £250 = 750. - £395 = £355 Gross Margin.

IF you get a 3 ton crop
If you lock in £250/ron
If it’s not a wet harvest and drying costs are extortionate
If diesel doesn’t rise above £1/l
If you have the cash available to buy a £29000 + VAT load of fertilizer ( it was around £8500 last year)
If you can face the high stake risks

wheat may be growable at £1000/t fert

FssSeed no dressing £80/ha
Fungicides £80/ha
Herbs £100/ha
Growth Regs etc £10
£270
Fert £500/ha
P and K don’t bother good indices and not used any out of a bag for a long time anyway and
Wheat £200
8t/ha £1600 output
GM £830/ha

That’s £830/ha to do the job in, obviously the gamble is will wheat be £200?
spring cereals similar GM as much lower spend.
Just grow wheat where you know it’s going to perform, same for OSR.
It’s not going to leave loads of fat on the bone but then farming has never been mega profitable every year has it, don’t see how this is any different to the usual cycles?
One of the main reasons I transitioned to a low overhead no till system is to be able to weather the storms much better than a high costs system.
it’s a gamble of course, but we gamble every time we put stuff in the ground 18 months before selling it, that’s the job isn’t it?
Can’t really mothball for a year if you are paying rents/mortgages etc unless you have loads of outside income to cover it or use this years profits, but then where does that leave you for cashflow when you re start?
It certainly won’t be easy for that matter and I could end up losing loads of money.

 

[ajd132]

On another note has anyone seen the video of George Eustice saying there is enough organic manure in the uk to replace the whole fertiliser requirement of the uk that comes in bags?

 

[pellow]

On another note has anyone seen the video of George Eustice saying there is enough organic manure in the uk to replace the whole fertiliser requirement of the uk that comes in bags?

Bullsh*t?