Fertiliser Price Tracker

[Bossfarmer]

Is the damage done by balers and loss of time holding up other operations is worth dropping straw?
I think in reality a bit of both depending on how it fits in with following crops

we bale behind the combine so only baling when its dry, 10 years ago admittedly damage was done, loader tractors now all on 650 rear 600 fronts, and trailers on 560 floatations, ud struggle to find any marks

 

[Bossfarmer]

Having read a bit of history about our local area it seemed that the arable acreage would fluctuate dramatically throughout the 1800s. Good prices would see more arable and when the ground was exhausted it would go back to pasture for ten years or so and then be ploughed up again during the next spike.

what are folk doing now when the ground gets tired?

 

[Bossfarmer]

How much fuel is used baling, carting, stacking, re loading straw out again ? My contractor managed to use over 100 L baling 130 round bales...............

How much is the extra half tonne of grain worth from getting muck each year? Quite a lot when grains hitting £360/t

 

[7610 super q]

How much is the extra half tonne of grain worth from getting muck each year? Quite a lot when grains hitting £360/t

Yes. best job is using your own straw to produce your own muck.
Second best, a straw for muck deal.
Third best, chopping straw to retain potash IMO.
I would have thought the days of flogging cheap straw would be over, yet I see prices of £15 ton on the tracker thread. Bizarre.

 

[Planet Bee]

Business energy prices to be cut by half expected levels

UK government to cap gas and electricity costs for businesses, charities and public sector from October.

www.bbc.co.uk

Kwartang, Truss and Mogg coming over the hill to save the day? Or are we missing one of the horsemen of the Apocalypse?

Spot gas is around $40/mmbtu at NBP and $60 at month ahead TTF heading into Winter

The cap mentioned in the BBC article equates to something closer to $30/mmbtu; all part of the £150bn subsidy

Unclear at this stage what EU Governments will do to support their heavy industries, including NH3 production for fertilisers, or whether our domestic producer is willing or able to pass on the saving

 

[Pigless]

Business energy prices to be cut by half expected levels

UK government to cap gas and electricity costs for businesses, charities and public sector from October.

www.bbc.co.uk

Kwartang, Truss and Mogg coming over the hill to save the day? Or are we missing one of the horsemen of the Apocalypse?

Spot gas is around $40/mmbtu at NBP and $60 at month ahead TTF heading into Winter

The cap mentioned in the BBC article equates to something closer to $30/mmbtu; all part of the £150bn subsidy

Unclear at this stage what EU Governments will do to support their heavy industries, including NH3 production for fertilisers, or whether our domestic producer is willing or able to pass on the saving

So does this mean CF will start up again?
If they do they will probably export the AN!

 

[matttargett4]

So the entire energy industry is now getting a bung from the tax payer in the same way cf did?
I’ve no words for how stupid this has all become

 

[Wastexprt]

Am very wary of digestate stuff, few years ago a neighbour had some injected in a field, looked to of more thatn half killed it

Conductivity and sodium can be very high in food waste digestate. Certainly knocks the worm population

 

[Wombat]

Germany takes over Uniper, raising rescue bill to $29 bln

Germany on Wednesday agreed to nationalise Uniper, raising the bill to rescue the gas importer to 29 billion euros ($28.7 billion) amid an escalating energy crisis that shows just how much Europe's top economy has relied on Russian fuel.

www.reuters.com

 

[som farmer]

So the entire energy industry is now getting a bung from the tax payer in the same way cf did?
I’ve no words for how stupid this has all become

what's the alternative?
if you left it at the mkt value, there would be tens of thousands, that couldn't pay, huge amount of industry would close down, if some of the figures quoted on the news, are correct.

totally agree with you, it's unbelievably stupid.
the green zealots have had a huge, and misleading campaign, to reduce carbon footprints, and presumably, been happy for us to import, carbon someone else's problem, and by doing so, reducing ours, then claiming 'victory'.

What their campaigning has done, is to increase reliance on imported energy, that reliance has gone tit's up, leaving us in a complete and utter mess. Many consumers unable to pay the bills, and industry desperate.
And the taxpayer, to pay for it.

The really stupid part is, the good old UK, has enough oil/gas/coal, to supply Europe's needs, but has been shut down, to satisfy a tiny minority of vocal zealots.
At least Truss has given the go ahead for fracking to start, and oil production to increase, plus exploration, which isn't really needed, as there are huge fields, under the UK, already known.

So, a right old muddle, how do you sort it out, other than by guv stepping in? The lesser of two evils? Probably cheaper than a windfall tax, on the industry, which it isn't their fault, its world mkt prices, taking the money, than subbing them to start fracking etc.

 

[balerman]

So the entire energy industry is now getting a bung from the tax payer in the same way cf did?
I’ve no words for how stupid this has all become

This is true,but the bigger picture is our new PM is going to restart/increase oil and gas production so we arent so reliant on other countries in the future.If it works she could be with us for a long time.If not she will soon be history...

 

[farenheit]

Distinct lack of prices in this thread!

 

[Pigless]

Distinct lack of prices in this thread!

Quoted £844 for 37n liquid today. Didn't order

 

[som farmer]

Distinct lack of prices in this thread!

it's not a horror story channel.

it will be whatever the market decides, and bugger all we can do about it,
as a dairy farm, we have a plentiful supply of shite, we need to find out how good it really is.
Lots of clover in the leys, perhaps not quite so good as claimed, it only produces the max amount on N, if the soil biology is correct, and can take up to 4 years, to get there! Reps are very good at spouting what suits them.

We hear fert at £1,000/t is still cost effective, so it might be, but it will certainly drop the profit, there's nowhere else it can come from, unless product price rises to cover it.
We are in an NVZ area, where N use is limited, which we all complained about, to be honest, it's made us think about usage, slurry and clover, and we have cut back to keep within the limit, and are not using so much, with no drop in production. Pain in the butt doing all the paperwork, but is saving money, which we never dreamed it would.

So, l wonder how much fert is/was applied, because that is always what has been done. And how much, could be saved, without a financial loss. Rather suspect we could all be surprised.
Just as we have learnt slurry/FYM, is not quite so much of a nuisance.
And the only way fert price will fall back, is guv intervention, which will be another good mess, but likely, when the lack of fert, causes food prices to high.

 

[Darius_Jedburgh]

So does this mean CF will start up again?
If they do they will probably export the AN!

Based on their financial analysis, CF will do what's best for their shareholders; Wether that's taking yet more of our tax payer's money from HMG before walking away or just continuing to walk away. Either way huge numbers of businesses across many sectors in the UK will still be looking at short-medium term higher prices and supply difficulties for AN fertiliser & CO2.

 

[Against_the_grain]

DAP £1050/t

 

[matttargett4]

what's the alternative?
if you left it at the mkt value, there would be tens of thousands, that couldn't pay, huge amount of industry would close down, if some of the figures quoted on the news, are correct.

totally agree with you, it's unbelievably stupid.
the green zealots have had a huge, and misleading campaign, to reduce carbon footprints, and presumably, been happy for us to import, carbon someone else's problem, and by doing so, reducing ours, then claiming 'victory'.

What their campaigning has done, is to increase reliance on imported energy, that reliance has gone tit's up, leaving us in a complete and utter mess. Many consumers unable to pay the bills, and industry desperate.
And the taxpayer, to pay for it.

The really stupid part is, the good old UK, has enough oil/gas/coal, to supply Europe's needs, but has been shut down, to satisfy a tiny minority of vocal zealots.
At least Truss has given the go ahead for fracking to start, and oil production to increase, plus exploration, which isn't really needed, as there are huge fields, under the UK, already known.

So, a right old muddle, how do you sort it out, other than by guv stepping in? The lesser of two evils? Probably cheaper than a windfall tax, on the industry, which it isn't their fault, its world mkt prices, taking the money, than subbing them to start fracking etc.

I don’t have the answer

however I’m not the highest paid politician in the country

my logic is simple, if the govt tips money into the energy market then the market gets distorted, the big boys know they have us over a barrel and will bleed us for all they can get, in the longer term we suffer.

whilst I don’t believe lots of the bs pedalled about emissions I do definitely think as a species we have too much impact and see nothing in any of this that will reduce it, domestic oil and gas still emits when you burn it.

as a dairy farmer myself I probably should be able to run my entire farm from energy I produce and do better with my own waste products as fert, there no doubt are lots of other industries that could do better with modern tech, I don’t believe the taxpayer should give me or anybody else grants to get there but it sure is a better use of public money than tipping it into the pockets of energy companies and still waking up to the same old problems tomorroW

 

[Bramble]

The £150 billion going into the energy market in the next 12 months makes subsidies paid to farmers to provide a cheap and plentiful supply of food in the past look cheap and good value.

The energy suppprt package is costing more than 40 years of ag subsidies

 

[som farmer]

I don’t have the answer

however I’m not the highest paid politician in the country

my logic is simple, if the govt tips money into the energy market then the market gets distorted, the big boys know they have us over a barrel and will bleed us for all they can get, in the longer term we suffer.

whilst I don’t believe lots of the bs pedalled about emissions I do definitely think as a species we have too much impact and see nothing in any of this that will reduce it, domestic oil and gas still emits when you burn it.

as a dairy farmer myself I probably should be able to run my entire farm from energy I produce and do better with my own waste products as fert, there no doubt are lots of other industries that could do better with modern tech, I don’t believe the taxpayer should give me or anybody else grants to get there but it sure is a better use of public money than tipping it into the pockets of energy companies and still waking up to the same old problems tomorroW

don't think anybody has the answer, not even sure there is an answer.

Fert is not the greenest of products, its pretty nasty stuff, in truth, from an environmental point of view. And is therefore in the firing line, from the green zealots. At the same time, the fossil fuel industries, are desperately diverting the blame from fossil fuel pollution, onto other industries, and we are convenient target, farting cows etc.

Which is fine, their propaganda experts, do a much better job, than farmers do, that's life.
So we arrive at a stage where 'intensive farming' is killing the planet. What no one seems to realise, is intensive farming, with fert, actually supplies the cheap food they crave.

The biggest emission production, comes from those fossil fuel users, and there's not a lot that can alter that, the electorate of any country, are not going to give up things like, foreign travel, cars etc, and any democratic country, would lose the next election, if they tried. So it isn't going to happen, unless there is a new source of energy found, which it will be.

So where does that leave farming/farmers? One of the most important inputs are fuel and fert, both of which are dearer, fert more so. What will happen, is less fert will be used, on a global basis, as it's a global price, less fert will mean less food produced, which will mean dearer food, and a very unhappy electorate.

I think, as farmers, we will learn to use less fossil fuel products, eg fert, and perhaps we will find alternative ways to increase fertility, without it, we are well on that path anyway. Food cost will rise, it's too cheap now, and a production decrease, will coincide with increasing demand, which will be to farmer's advantage, and every other one's disadvantage. We will get the blame for increasing prices, that's life, but so will the guv in power, at the time. This will get a large number of MP's, worried about their jobs, because a change of guv, will be on the cards. So guv interference is almost a cert, and as per usual, it will mean a complicated utter balls-up.

For farmers, there's bugger all we can do about it, we can't really fight world prices, so it's a suck-it and see. Any fert saving, that doesn't lower production, goes straight into the pocket, so we all need to find solutions, to reduce fert use, simply because it's in our interest to do so.
Not interested in feeding the world, we haven't been treated well, so why should we bother?

There are ways to reduce fert use, and we need to use, and improve on them, which we will do, because it increases potential profit, even if guv interferes in the mkt place, dead simple really.

 

[Boydvalley]

Distinct lack of prices in this thread!

When you’ve had a ring round let us know.