Fertilizing winter cereal

[4course]

Nah, I've booked another week off.

That hasnt worked currently sat in my hotel room watching the cloud level descend and the snow being washed away from what should be the snowclad slope the fecking rain is following me ,mindst we did get the fert on last week

 

[Brisel]

From a taxpayer’s point of view all of these benefits could be obtained by imposing the limit and reducing the payment rates on other SFI options. As you and point out it would take UK food production in a more sustainable direction at lower cost to the exchequer.

What would that do to your business?

 

[Brisel]

Just for the record - we get NO government money . . .

the amount of N we apply is based on seasonal conditions, farming practices, soil types & moisture availability, environmental considerations, rotations, soil tests, financial circumstances, market outlooks, the actual price of N & each individuals attitude to risk. In other words - good management, based on the individual farm, farmer & season . . .

FUCH government money, control & intervention . . .

you lot re SO pussy whipped into submission by those 30 pieces of silver . . .

Is the Aussie government imposing restrictions on your farming business? If you had to cut your land use by 20%, would you want something in return?

Your comment about 30 pieces of silver is an uncomfortable truth though

 

[Two Tone]

facts adviser can recommend that urea losses are negligable in cool conditions on land with low free caco3 and rainfall forecast to wash it in

Was going to continue my look around the farm to see what would travel, but the Fog that is supposed to have disappeared by now, has got thicker.

I’ve been using Urea since the early 1980’s and wonder who gives Facts advisers their information.
We don’t make Urea fertiliser in the UK and so UK manufactures of AN have done their best to try to rubbish it.
A perfect example of this is the new rule regarding inhibitors as from 1st April.

I’d agree losses are minimal in cool conditions, even if the Urea is washed in soon after application.
Urea does NOT need rain soon after application to prevent volatilisation. It will quite happily just sit there until some moisture, which could be a heavy dew will start getting it to go through the process of getting it to work.
Volatilisation of Urea can only happen on bear soils above 26 degrees centigrade, which rarely happens in the UK.
It cannot happen where soils are growing an active crop, because even though the air temperatures could be higher than 26 degrees in months as from June, the shading effect of a crop and the microcosm at the surface level is highly unlikely to exceed 26 degrees centigrade.

So Why TF do we need protected Urea at all in the U.K. and especially in April or May?

Most countries throughout the World, especially in hotter climate Countries, have banned AN usage, because it is an explosive, when mixed with an accelerant, such as diesel or sugar and therefore has the potential to be used by terrorists.
So if they can use unprotected Urea, why can’t we?
The vast majority of Urea sold in this Country, is made in Egypt, a hot country!

Urea certainly lasts in the soils beyond the year it is applied. If an area such as a headland where the spreader is switched on/off is accidentally double dosed this year, that same area will clearly be seen the following year.
I especially noticed this effect on the headlands, when we switched from 12 metre tramlines to 24.
So if it was going to volatilise during above 26 degree temperature on bare soil in August, why would that double dose show up the following Spring?
Therefore, volatilisation of Urea in the UK is absolute Bollox!


Therefore, how have Facts advisors allowed the U.K. AN manufacturers to get ban on unprotected Urea to take place as from April?
Especially when the main one is CF Fertilisers UK, an American owned company that bought out ICI, is a major Worldwide manufacturer of Urea fertilisers, vastly exceeding any AN it produces.
On top of which the UK Government was advised by the Fertiliser manufacturers what the RB209 levels are set at.
If that isn’t nepotism, I don’t know what is.


That being so, I wouldn’t trust any Facts advisor to advise me on anything whatsoever!
Especially when that protectant, contains Arsenic!

 

[CPF]

Just fly it on . . .

simple really

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One of the best tractors I used in wet conditions ,to put fert on was a 375 quadtrac made less mess than the fastrac , or use one of our TerraGators.

 

[Brisel]

FACTS advisors have been fed the "urea is evil" line by the very people who administer the scheme for a couple of years now. The annual FACTS exam we need to remain as a FQA was based around urea and ammonia emissions a couple of years ago.

The narrative goes to the very top of those who ought to know better!

 

[Two Tone]

OMG! OMG! OMG!
WTF do you do with stuff like this?
There is something very wrong here with our weather.
I have never, ever known or seen such prolonged wet weather, with no let up, long enough to let it dry up, in my 48 years of farming.

How TF are you supposed to put fertiliser on to stuff like this?
Wheat on a slight Bank. This field has never had gullies washed into it before. @CPF will now this field.

Winter Barley

The field that has the heaviest and lightest field on the farm

The other end

There’ll be F all spreading done on this farm until it dries up!

Never have we needed the weather to stop f’ing raining and dry up so much before.

 

[DrWazzock]

We’ve too much looks like that.^^
6 mm so far this week with mist, fog and drizzle. We might get started next week.

 

[Brisel]

OMG! OMG! OMG!
WTF do you do with stuff like this?
There is something very wrong here with our weather.
I have never, ever known or seen such prolonged wet weather, with no let up, long enough to let it dry up, in my 48 years of farming.

How TF are you supposed to put fertiliser on to stuff like this?
Wheat on a slight Bank. This field has never had gullies washed into it before. @CPF will now this field.
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Winter Barley
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The field that has the heaviest and lightest field on the farm
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The other end
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There’ll be F all spreading done on this farm until it dries up!

Never have we needed the weather to stop f’ing raining and dry up so much before.

And breathe...

Playing devil's advocate, what does your neighbours tillage land look like? Probably the wrong question to ask a stressed farmer...

 

[teslacoils]

And breathe...

Playing devil's advocate, what does your neighbours tillage land look like? Probably the wrong question to ask a stressed farmer...

I've been on a drive and it all looks dogcrap round here.

 

[fudge]

What would that do to your business?

We would adapt same as everyone else. Bps didn’t make the difference between survival or not for us. Just our circumstances.

 

[Brisel]

We would adapt same as everyone else. Bps didn’t make the difference between survival or not for us. Just our circumstances.

That raises many questions, but I'm not going to ask them here.

 

[fudge]

That raises many questions, but I'm not going to ask them here.

At the time of the referendum we didn’t view bps as essential. Indeed we have always viewed government money as a bonus. I always find reading on here that small farms need bps as quite amusing. Most small farms I know of don’t rely on bps, that would be idiotic as it could always disappear with the stroke of a pen. Usually they are diversified off farm, that’s the reality of my limited experience.

 

[Two Tone]

And breathe...

Playing devil's advocate, what does your neighbours tillage land look like? Probably the wrong question to ask a stressed farmer...

Put it this way:
He doesn’t need to do any ‘And breathe….ing’
But he did get his patch in on the most ideal day he could have and he hasn’t put any Nitrogen on yet because they are a good colour…….as are my good bits.

But the guy the other side of him who DD’s is on the same medications as me!


I reckon I have got about 5 fields I could go on hopefully tomorrow and the rest will just have to take their chances.
Its a bugger that they happen to be my good bits, in least most need of Nitrogen.

 

[Brisel]

Put it this way:
He doesn’t need to do any ‘And breathe….ing’
But he did get his patch in on the most ideal day he could have and he hasn’t put any Nitrogen on yet because they are a good colour…….as are my good bits.

But the guy the other side of him who DD’s is on the same medications as me!


I reckon I have got about 5 fields I could go on hopefully tomorrow and the rest will just have to take their chances.
Its a bugger that they happen to be my good bits, in least most need of Nitrogen.

Look on the bright side - there is little growth to feed just yet!

Done winter barley and most of the rest of our wheat today. That will leave 2 gravel fields with questionable field drains to do after at least another week without rain.

 

[Bumble Bee]

We have managed to make a start applying ammonium sulphate for a couple of light land customers today. Only a couple of hundred acres, but at least we've checked that all the kit is working as it should. I don't think anything else will be dry enough until next week.

 

[Oscar]

Hoping to start tomorrow on grassland as customer starts lambing on Saturday . Also had request from AD plant to see if I can get some liquid on before rain on Saturday on a sandy but steep farm . Just had a quick look in semi dark and middles seem fine but headlands are a mixed bag so will have a go on Friday ahead of rain on Saturday .

 

[Two Tone]

Going a damned site beater than I thought it would and done a lot more than I expected to.
I’d forgotten that because we DD, therefore haven’t ploughed of deep disturbed it, even though the tramlines have water at their surface, they are firm underneath.

 

[David.]

I was going to observe that the DD fields with the gullies would probably have hard tramlines due to no deep disturbance.
But I didn't think you'd appreciate it.
Glad you're getting on.

 

[Two Tone]

I was going to observe that the DD fields with the gullies would probably have hard tramlines due to no deep disturbance.
But I didn't think you'd appreciate it.
Glad you're getting on.

Haven’t done that one yet, but it is next on the list. Major move of loader and bring a trailer load of fert back from one yard to another before I attempt it later this afternoon. As long as the showers hold off, which they have done so far.

Wont get it all done today, but will have knocked an Ucking great hole in it!
Some is so bad, there is no point in putting any on. But if there is a hope of it being there, in other words there is something green looking that isn’t weed, it is getting a squirt.