Film on Film Round Bales

[RastaBoy]

think this is the right place for this.
Has anyone tried their silage with wrap rather than net on the bale ?
I’m told it’s far superior Regards feed quality and bale quality. Apparently bales are like bullets.
Not sure if it works out dearer but wanting to try some.
Any thoughts appreciated

 

[scrubbuster]

Can a normal net wrap baler put film on?

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Can a normal net wrap baler put film on?

Mchale can

 

[kill]

Mchale can

No it can't as needs to be a film on film baler but it will also have a normal netwrapper

 

[RastaBoy]

Fusion three plus or Kuhn can do it but it’s an add on I believe

 

[hendrebc]

I thought the film wrap balers werent all that because they couldnt get the film to wrap the shoulders of the bale well enough so the wrap still got damaged on the corners/shoulders of the bale and the film couldnt help that even though it helped on the parts wrapped in film.
Iirc JD were trying a net wrap with gore tex in it to leave hay and straw bales outside without getting wet as that was the only advantage they could see to wrapping bales with film. The goretex net could be applied with a normal net wrapping baler as well i think. I havent seen anything of that goretex net though after i read about it somewere but i havent seen anything much of the film wrapped bales either.

 

[RastaBoy]

I thought the film wrap balers werent all that because they couldnt get the film to wrap the shoulders of the bale well enough so the wrap still got damaged on the corners/shoulders of the bale and the film couldnt help that even though it helped on the parts wrapped in film.
Iirc JD were trying a net wrap with gore tex in it to leave hay and straw bales outside without getting wet as that was the only advantage they could see to wrapping bales with film. The goretex net could be applied with a normal net wrapping baler as well i think. I havent seen anything of that goretex net though after i read about it somewere but i havent seen anything much of the film wrapped bales either.

I’ve spoken with two farmers lately who are raving about it.
One is even binding his straw with it to stack outside.

 

[Dry Rot]

I thought the film wrap balers werent all that because they couldnt get the film to wrap the shoulders of the bale well enough so the wrap still got damaged on the corners/shoulders of the bale and the film couldnt help that even though it helped on the parts wrapped in film.
Iirc JD were trying a net wrap with gore tex in it to leave hay and straw bales outside without getting wet as that was the only advantage they could see to wrapping bales with film. The goretex net could be applied with a normal net wrapping baler as well i think. I havent seen anything of that goretex net though after i read about it somewere but i havent seen anything much of the film wrapped bales either.

I think there's a firm in the USA makes that. Small pores in the film so excess moisture can evapourate out but rain doesn't penetrate -- but for hay only, obviously. Didn't know it was in the UK too.

 

[steveR]

Can a normal net wrap baler put film on?

Krone reckoned they had it cracked on the old KR120/125 models 20+ years ago, but funnily enough, I never actually saw more than a pic of a prototype... Think they were proposing to use a more robust film than bale wrap.

 

[hendrebc]

I think there's a firm in the USA makes that. Small pores in the film so excess moisture can evapourate out but rain doesn't penetrate -- but for hay only, obviously. Didn't know it was in the UK too.

There might be. It was an article in some magazine or other i read about john deere making the goretex net maybe they were working with this other company or stealing the idea or something. I dont know really were its availablr just what i read in this article. Ive.neber seen any for sale anywere

 

[Jenks6910]

@Mickeymatbro ’s new Kuhn baler applies film instead of net and uses two stand wrap rolls. So no need to purchase any specialised film to create a film on film bale. The results are very impressive

 

[kill]

View attachment 703940 View attachment 703938 View attachment 703936 @Mickeymatbro ’s new Kuhn baler applies film instead of net and uses two stand wrap rolls. So no need to purchase any specialised film to create a film on film bale. The results are very impressive

Has that also got the 3D rear wrapper unit as that's probably the perfect wrapping outfit as the 3D will wrap up over the bale ends better that baletite (film on film) and I love the fact it uses standard 750mm film

 

[Jenks6910]

Has that also got the 3D rear wrapper unit as that's probably the perfect wrapping outfit as the 3D will wrap up over the bale ends better that baletite (film on film) and I love the fact it uses standard 750mm film

Yes I’d does have the 3D wrapping system, I will try to upload a video of it working if I can.

 

[Sheepandcalfs]

Makes great stuff just make sure you start opening it were you want it cause it busts open when you put the Stanley knife through the lot lol

 

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[Mr Mackay]

We tried it last year ,but we move our bales with a Traileyre . So, you dont want to be rough with the bales as you pick them up or they burst (we wrap at stack) . So we keep to net .
BUT- if I was having them done in the field ,I think the wrap instead of net is a no brainer . The bales are better shaped , take less wrap as a consequence and there is more wrap on the middle where its needed ,as the ends always have a thicker layer ,dont they ??

 

[Jenks6910]

We tried it last year ,but we move our bales with a Traileyre . So, you dont want to be rough with the bales as you pick them up or they burst (we wrap at stack) . So we keep to net .
BUT- if I was having them done in the field ,I think the wrap instead of net is a no brainer . The bales are better shaped , take less wrap as a consequence and there is more wrap on the middle where its needed ,as the ends always have a thicker layer ,dont they ??

Standard wrapping always puts more on the ends as you are having to do more cycles to cover the centre of the bale. Done arable silage for a customer this year and have done half film on film and half net/film. Looking forward to seeing the results come winter time.
Another customer out winters cattle and has 400 bales in the field in rows all film on film...says he’s looking forward to no net when feeding this winter.

 

[Mr Mackay]

No ones mentioned the cost. Am I led to believe the film on film is 10 -15 p/bale dearer per bale than net (althought the extra protection means its not wasted )?
I have seen the video of the Kuhn before , it looks the bees knees ,very clever , but not sure theres a wrap at stack version of one of those , is there ?