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[Sid]

@Clive thinks its absolutely fine for the GP to walk whereever they like if you take their shilling.

What he hasn't done is told me where you find this map of BPS land and non BPS land.

No one gets BPS money on woodland but footpaths go through those. Why if they aren't "paid" for by the GP?

 

[Sid]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1348306997368803329

 

[Doing it for the kids]

We managed to move a footpath for our solar park. It now goes round the fields on a track rather than across them. We had a short pointless one removed at the same time, but did grant another along a field boundary that made a circular walk possible. I was amazed that we succeeded in doing it to be honest.

you did well but you offered a loop, which they love.

Well I guess there was a net gain to the walkers. For once common sense prevailed!

exactly, the ramblers are hard to convince and not practical people

Because the ramblers see that as benefiting the farmers

exactly, I had a battle to convince them but managed to as well over a diversion, they have an illogical mindset

 

[essexpete]

Because the ramblers see that as benefiting the farmers

The ramblers would benifit if they had a grass field margin to walk on that was not ploughed or cultivated. It would be necessary to have a mechanism that legally switched a right of way from one route to another overnight as it were. Good signage and notices would be required. The last time I talked to a highways officer in Essex the paperwork cost of shifting a route was north of 3k several years ago.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

The ramblers would benifit if they had a grass field margin to walk on that was not ploughed or cultivated. It would be necessary to have a mechanism that legally switched a right of way from one route to another overnight as it were. Good signage and notices would be required. The last time I talked to a highways officer in Essex the paperwork cost of shifting a route was north of 3k several years ago.

it’s a great idea but they just don’t work that fast.

im trying to get a BW diverted out of a farm yard, I’ve been trying for 4 months Just to get a meeting to begin to discuss it!

 

[essexpete]

it’s a great idea but they just don’t work that fast.

im trying to get a BW diverted out of a farm yard, I’ve been trying for 4 months Just to get a meeting to begin to discuss it!

Not surprised.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Not surprised.

it’s got worse now the team has shrunk - last took 3 yrs to move, this will be 5 I bet!

trouble is the archaic laws treat PROW the same as a Motorway when you want to adjust

 

[Farmer Roy]

Most footpaths were established by local people taking the shortest route to church,, school, the village etc so unsurprising they often cut diagonally across fields. They are rarely used now fir their intended purpose

i know this is probably very simplistic, but why don’t footpaths just follow / be beside public roads ? Rather than going across private land?
Surely the roads were also taking the shortest route from village to village etc etc

 

[Tarw Coch]

i know this is probably very simplistic, but why don’t footpaths just follow / be beside public roads ? Rather than going across private land?
Surely the roads were also taking the shortest route from village to village etc etc

Have you seen this country
As dad used to say, the roads are like a bull pishing in the dust.
Up until the Romans invaded I think it was illegal to have straight roads it’s unbelievable how much some twist and turn.

 

[Farmer Roy]

Have you seen this country
As dad used to say, the roads are like a bull pishing in the dust.
Up until the Romans invaded I think it was illegal to have straight roads it’s unbelievable how much some twist and turn.

haha yes, I did live & work there for 3 years.

just never could get my head around the whole footpath & right of way thing

 

[Bury the Trash]

Have you seen this country
As dad used to say, the roads are like a bull pishing in the dust.
Up until the Romans invaded I think it was illegal to have straight roads it’s unbelievable how much some twist and turn.

bit the same as streets in most towns and cities.

but the postman new the shortest way didnt he

 

[Tarw Coch]

haha yes, I did live & work there for 3 years.

just never could get my head around the whole footpath & right of way thing

As said, they came about from local people taking regular short cuts to where they needed to go. Don’t know what the legal status was back then, probably just accepted as the locals needing to get around.
Now they are legally protected rights of way used pretty much exclusively for leisure and quite possibly by people with no connection to the local community.

 

[Hornet]

Most footpaths were established by local people taking the shortest route to church,, school, the village etc so unsurprising they often cut diagonally across fields. They are rarely used now fir their intended purpose

That's as maybe, but the farmer in the past decided to pull up the grass path, fill in the ditch and grub up the hedge. Very unlikely that the path went across a field in the past!
ELMS needs to solve this issue by permissive access and government need to make it easier to divert existing cross field prows. So long as the alternative route provides a better Public Good, i cant see many objections (apart from Ramblers, who often are pragmatic if the new access is better than the existing

 

[Wombat]

That's as maybe, but the farmer in the past decided to pull up the grass path, fill in the ditch and grub up the hedge. Very unlikely that the path went across a field in the past!
ELMS needs to solve this issue by permissive access and government need to make it easier to divert existing cross field prows. So long as the alternative route provides a better Public Good, i cant see many objections (apart from Ramblers, who often are pragmatic if the new access is better than the existing

If you look at most of the paths locally that go diagnoally across fields on circa 1900 maps most of them go diagonally across fields with no hedges or ditches present. As been said they were the shortes way to get to the next village church

 

[7610 super q]

Have you seen this country
As dad used to say, the roads are like a bull pishing in the dust.
Up until the Romans invaded I think it was illegal to have straight roads it’s unbelievable how much some twist and turn.

Actually, around here he has a point. The road to the local village is quiet, tree lined, and scenic.
Instead ramblerinos would rather trapse though my garden, past ugly farm sheds, struggle up the side of a muddy field, then fight their way through neighbours oilseed rape.......
But then ramblerinos aren't really interested in the countryside are they, it's all about proving a point and annoying as many people as they can. Some actively seek an argument IMO.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

I reckon a reasonable percentage of those walkers will only have shoes or trainers on, so quick jump over electric fence or 6“ mud....

electrify it

 

[7610 super q]

electrify it

12v or 240 ?

 

[Tarw Coch]

That's as maybe, but the farmer in the past decided to pull up the grass path, fill in the ditch and grub up the hedge. Very unlikely that the path went across a field in the past!
ELMS needs to solve this issue by permissive access and government need to make it easier to divert existing cross field prows. So long as the alternative route provides a better Public Good, i cant see many objections (apart from Ramblers, who often are pragmatic if the new access is better than the existing

I’m not sure when footpaths were first formally established but growing crops is hardly a modern phenomenon either so I’m not sure how you come to the conclusion that at some point a grass path has been grubbed up as you put it. Crop rotations have been about for many years so there’s a distinct possibility the land had been cultivated before footpaths were officially recognised even if it had been in grass for periods in between.
Neither do I know where you get the idea that ditches have been filled in or hedges grubbed up because paths cross fields, paths often went across fields on an angle because they were the shortest route from A to B

 

[roscoe erf]

'Please respect the countryside:' Row over lockdown exercise

Farmers in East Anglia have hit out at people damaging crops by straying off public footpaths that go across their fields.

www.edp24.co.uk

 

[marcot]

'Please respect the countryside:' Row over lockdown exercise

Farmers in East Anglia have hit out at people damaging crops by straying off public footpaths that go across their fields.

www.edp24.co.uk

Phooooaaarrrr.....love to be disciplined by her [emoji7]