Foreign aid

[Hillside]

Concerning that this country sends £280m in aid to India yet they can afford to launch a space rocket.
Why are we bothering with overseas aid to countries that don't need it and who in government agrees to send aid to these countries.
Charity is good and well but this country needs the money as much as where we send it to.
Charity begins at home.

 

[nick...]

I agree entirely.maybe a hang up from colonial days.what really pisses me of is immigrants getting everything and soldiers who give their all get treated like shite and get nothing when they leave the military
Nick...

 

[quattro]

Same with old age pensioners, prisoners get looked after better than they do

 

[Farfrae]

The UK is reducing aid relationships with China, India and South Africa. The figure for India 2015 was around £150m

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/uk-foreign-aid-budget_uk_57d953afe4b00f741735477f

Meanwhile the UK taxpayer could equally ask why it is paying the Queen and many wealthy farmers £3 billion a year in subsidy. I'm sure that farmer Mr Smart in Aberdeenshire does not actually 'need' his £2,986,506.48 a year that the taxpayer gave him in 2015 (i.e approximately one 50th that they gave to the whole of India in the same year) unlike the 3,000 children in India who die every day from poor diet.

Which of course pales into insignificance to the total amount thrown at the banks by the taxpayer to enable their casino banking scams and cocaine fuelled lifestyles to continue, which was £1.16 trillion. By one of life’s more meaningful coincidences, that is precisely ten times the annual budget of the NHS for the whole UK.

 

[hindmaist]

Concerning that this country sends £280m in aid to India yet they can afford to launch a space rocket.
Why are we bothering with overseas aid to countries that don't need it and who in government agrees to send aid to these countries.
Charity is good and well but this country needs the money as much as where we send it to.
Charity begins at home.

It helps to oil the wheels of commerce and trade.
It projects power and influence.

 

[RobFZS]

If aid is to be spent, it has to be worth something to us, ie trade and investments in African countries building ports we can export to, rather than a mad dash as the end of the year to spend the money and give it away to anyone, like that spice girls type band i keep hearing about.

 

[hindmaist]

If aid is to be spent, it has to be worth something to us, ie trade and investments in African countries building ports we can export to, rather than a mad dash as the end of the year to spend the money and give it away to anyone, like that spice girls type band i keep hearing about.

The ever more hysterical media love to promote this type of story because it sells.Thats why you keep hearing about that spice girls type band.

 

[dstudent]

There are always conditions attached to foreign "Aid" , repayment interests or favorable trade deals, lowering of imports taxes, opening of internal markets or simply geopolitical influence. I am against any of the so called "aid" there is a huge misconceptions about them, like it s free money no their are not, their are the cause of immense poverty in Africa, and we get back 6 times more both in money and resources.
Multilateral and Bilateral Aid have created dependency and poverty, the IMF and World Bank with their Structural Adjustment Programs have devastated countries, forcing countries to sell off and privatized all their state's own infrastructures and natural resources. To repay the loans, countries were forced to cut on health, educations, essential infrastructure, and basic services. 22 countries in Sub-Sahara Africa only income comes from 1 or 2 crops, coffee , cocoa etc, to repay their loans they were forced to grow commercial crops for our markets, detracting land from local agriculture, making these countries dependent of food aid and the cycle continues. And then add in the mix the World Trade Organization.
And then people complain about immigrants, they would not be here if we did not exploit their lands, sold arms and supported corrupt governments, made it impossible for them to live in peace

Basicly No, no Aid, Fair Trade yes, Social Justice yes
VIVA LA REVOLUCION

 

[wanton dwarf]

... we get back 6 times more both in money and resources ...

That's £66 billion.

Not a chance, most of the Aid money gets given to the UN.

It's just another Labour scam in a long line of Labour scams.

 

[dstudent]

That's £66 billion.

Not a chance, most of the Aid money gets given to the UN.

It's just another Labour scam in a long line of Labour scams.

Hi @wanton dwarf here is a short crude explenation of Aid from wiki and other stories,please do check for validity. The UN is a parch up job, how much of the doneted money goes to really help people and how much goes to support its self , I have to agree thet it s a bit selfserving and self sustaining, streamline it a bit. The 80s and 90s were the worst years in Bilateral and multilateral Aid, the IMF WORLD BANK and various trade deals via WTO have exacerbated the situation. I think is ifact much more tan £ 66billion counting also lives lost etc.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tied_aid
https://www.oxfamamerica.org/static/media/files/aidnow-tiedaidroundtrip.pdf
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....sep/07/aid-benefits-donor-countries-companies

 

[RobFZS]

Hi @wanton dwarf here is a short crude explenation of Aid from wiki and other stories,please do check for validity. The 80s and 90s were the worst years in Bilateral and multilateral Aid, the IMF WORLD BANK and various trade deals via WTO have exacerbated the situation. I think is ifact much more tan £ 66billion counting also lives lost etc.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tied_aid
https://www.oxfamamerica.org/static/media/files/aidnow-tiedaidroundtrip.pdf
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....sep/07/aid-benefits-donor-countries-companies

That is all very vague, what's the actual figures from the government

''Eurodad insists real "value for money" will only be achieved if donors engage with companies in developing countries, using aid as a catalyst for local and regional business development and job creation. "Extraordinary efforts are needed to make the most out of every single cent." << is what we all want, but there is no transparency and alot of it just get's pee'd away.

 

[dstudent]

That is all very vague, what's the actual figures from the government

''Eurodad insists real "value for money" will only be achieved if donors engage with companies in developing countries, using aid as a catalyst for local and regional business development and job creation. "Extraordinary efforts are needed to make the most out of every single cent." << is what we all want, but there is no transparency and alot of it just get's pee'd away.

Hi there which figure? The files I added were just from a quick search at this time of the morning. But try to type Tide Aid per countries, or Oxfam is quite an indipendent source. Things have changed slightly at the moment China has been in Africa a lot.
Good hunt

 

[RobFZS]

Quick look through the official doc from the government and a quick tot up of 'administrative costs of donors'' nearly over a billion quid, and then you wonder why people are annoyed.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...istics-on-international-development-2016a.pdf

 

[dstudent]

Quick look through the official doc from the government and a quick tot up of 'administrative costs of donors'' nearly over a billion quid, and then you wonder why people are annoyed.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...istics-on-international-development-2016a.pdf

Thanks I ll read it and get back to you. So Aid is bad

 

[RobFZS]

Thanks I ll read it and get back to you. So Aid is bad

it's bad when people such as yourself, sell yourself the idea of it with no holds bar at all, did you even read any of the links you posted above? because they didn't sell it very well, it just made it sound like a bandwagon to get rich quick on.

i very much doubt, Oxfam, is 'independent' at all, maybe they were 15 years ago, but not now when most of these places, have been overun by ideologically mental socialists that have no grasp on spending money properly, i'm sure you can dig some figures up on how well aid is working for us, i'm also sure if you throw enough sh!t against a wall, it will stick eventually, we're a very rich country, and yet, we have a deficit of 70 billion a month and a national debt that is rising, there just seems to be no grasp on the fact that this has to be done properly, i couldn't give a sh!t what some farmer is getting, or the queen either, they're other situations that have to be dealt with, rather than this free for all at the moment because so and so is doing it, it makes it ok.

It's just like the NHS, anyone dare say it has to be changed, and the you hear a load of crap how great it is, so it might be, but that doesn't get it fixed, then people will flail to the extreme's, like you have just done, that we must 'end it' or 'privatise it' , no, give it proper scrutiny, pull your head out of the sand and make it work for us, at a cost that is acceptable.

 

[turbo]

There should be a box to tick on the bottom of your tax return if you want money to go to foreign aid,two different tax amounts one without and one with foreign aid we would soon see how many people though it's a good idea

 

[RobFZS]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/what-oxfam-wont-tell-you-about-capitalism-and-poverty/

Oxfam just annoy me, if poverty did not exist, neither would they, when i was a child, Oxfam, Cafod etc were all laudable causes, but now they're just parasites.

 

[dstudent]

it's bad when people such as yourself, sell yourself the idea of it with no holds bar at all, did you even read any of the links you posted above? because they didn't sell it very well, it just made it sound like a bandwagon to get rich quick on.

i very much doubt, Oxfam, is 'independent' at all, maybe they were 15 years ago, but not now when most of these places, have been overun by ideologically mental socialists that have no grasp on spending money properly, i'm sure you can dig some figures up on how well aid is working for us, i'm also sure if you throw enough sh!t against a wall, it will stick eventually, we're a very rich country, and yet, we have a deficit of 70 billion a month and a national debt that is rising, there just seems to be no grasp on the fact that this has to be done properly, i couldn't give a sh!t what some farmer is getting, or the queen either, they're other situations that have to be dealt with, rather than this free for all at the moment because so and so is doing it, it makes it ok.

It's just like the NHS, anyone dare say it has to be changed, and the you hear a load of crap how great it is, so it might be, but that doesn't get it fixed, then people will flail to the extreme's, like you have just done, that we must 'end it' or 'privatise it' , no, give it proper scrutiny, pull your head out of the sand and make it work for us, at a cost that is acceptable.

Hold it there @RobFZS What u talking about? The file I added reflected my view that Aid has it has been done so far don t help anyone. Everyone concerned is somehow getting screwed. HAVE U READ MY INITIAL POST. I don t support the aid system.
Man don t get me started. I m gonna walk off here

 

[RobFZS]

Hold it there @RobFZS What u talking about? The file I added reflected my view that Aid has it has been done so far don t help anyone. Everyone concerned is somehow getting screwed. HAVE U READ MY INITIAL POST. I don t support the aid system.
Man don t get me started. I m gonna walk off here

i must have misread you when i saw you put 'oxfam' as an independent source, maybe we're closer on points on this than i thought.

 

[dstudent]

i must have misread you when i saw you put 'oxfam' as an independent source, maybe we're closer on points on this than i thought.

@RobFZS it s ok