Foundations for farm shed

[South West Ireland]

Hi all,

Looking at digging out and pouring pads for stanchions for a general purpose farm shed.
It would suit me to just do the concrete pads for the stanchions now and later the foundations for the walls and the wall themselves.
Whats people thoughts on pouring pads and wall foundations separately? Would rebar be needed in the foundations for walls? Given the walls will be 8 inches thick and 6ft high. Would rebar be required in the walls themselves?

Thanks all

 

[neilo]

Why not panels?

 

[South West Ireland]

Why not panels?

I have a gravel quarry on my farm, so abundance of it. I have all the equipment to load and mix it, plus I never really fancied panels

Why not panels?

 

[Lakesdigger]

I have a gravel quarry on my farm, so abundance of it. I have all the equipment to load and mix it, plus I never really fancied panels

Even so, why not panels

 

[South West Ireland]

Even so, why not panels

They would work out to be more expensive

 

[suffolksmallholder]

I went in the direction you are proposing.
Footings after pads, then blocks followed by brickwork as I came out of the ground and stopped at DPC/top of concrete. Once the sub base was compacted I poured 140mm of C40 in each bay. After this I added x3 course of brickwork with another DPC in case I wanted a warm floor, then went nine course of 100mm concrete blocks. As the building works blocks this worked well.
One day I intend to weatherboard the building as this is easier on the eye than panels which are IMO, ‘orrible to look at
SS

 

[Lakesdigger]

They would work out to be more expensive

I'd price panels for a start off so you've got a figure to work against. Then price rebar, cement shuttering you're own time etc and see if it's really as much more expensive as you think.

 

[puppet]

Hi all,

Looking at digging out and pouring pads for stanchions for a general purpose farm shed.
It would suit me to just do the concrete pads for the stanchions now and later the foundations for the walls and the wall themselves.
Whats people thoughts on pouring pads and wall foundations separately? Would rebar be needed in the foundations for walls? Given the walls will be 8 inches thick and 6ft high. Would rebar be required in the walls themselves?

Thanks all

You can certainly pour the pads first, quite common practice. Foundation and rebar depends on the ground.
You definitely need rebar in the walls and into the foundation otherwise you might just knock it over and kill someone.

 

[Kevtherev]

Panels quick and lot easier than shuttering and putting bars in each bay or mesh.

 

[br jones]

there is an art to shuttering and it looking good ,panels every time

 

[Hill Ground]

Also, if one day you want to extend, or put in a gate, or door or something, just unbolt panels and out they come!!

 

[Pan mixer]

I prefer shuttered but then I have done several dozen here, one of the difficulties with pad first and foundation later is getting the trench right all the way between the posts, the last one I did I dug the trenches after the pads were laid so that I could drive over them and filled the trenches to finished height even though that was above the pads.

I only had a wheeled digger at the time though. Possibly no problem with a 360.

 

[Lakesdigger]

I prefer shuttered but then I have done several dozen here, one of the difficulties with pad first and foundation later is getting the trench right all the way between the posts, the last one I did I dug the trenches after the pads were laid so that I could drive over them and filled the trenches to finished height even though that was above the pads.

I only had a wheeled digger at the time though. Possibly no problem with a 360.

It's a lot of messing about afterwards digging between pads, much easier from the digging aspect to do all the digging in one.
Tbh if you're digging foundations for the walls and going to put any rebar in to tie into the walls footing wants a bit of width so probably only needs to be a bit thicker where stantion bolts are going.

 

[Pan mixer]

It's a lot of messing about afterwards digging between pads, much easier from the digging aspect to do all the digging in one.
Tbh if you're digging foundations for the walls and going to put any rebar in to tie into the walls footing wants a bit of width so probably only needs to be a bit thicker where stantion bolts are going.

I recall putting some old bits of galv pipe in the foundation trench set to the finished level and taping the tops so that I could put rebar in them later, about 5 per bay, I always cast a bit of curb on top of the foundation to hold the bottom of the formers.

 

[neilo]

Also, if one day you want to extend, or put in a gate, or door or something, just unbolt panels and out they come!!

...and you can always remove them, take the barn down, move it, re-erect, then refit the panels.

That makes them 'plant and machinery' for tax purposes, although that might well be different in Ireland?

 

[Pan mixer]

...and you can always remove them, take the barn down, move it, re-erect, then refit the panels.

That makes them 'plant and machinery' for tax purposes, although that might well be different in Ireland?

I am pretty sure on here somewhere there is a thread about tax allowances on panels and that there had been a ruling that they were no longer allowed as plant.

 

[neilo]

I am pretty sure on here somewhere there is a thread about tax allowances on panels and that there had been a ruling that they were no longer allowed as plant.

I've not heard of that, but it was always a bit tenuous really. If investigated, at worst you would surely have to prove they were movable and not an integral part of a building? If you fancied the fight I suppose.

I'm just moving mine, so feel less guilty about claiming them as P&M 12 years ago. It was giving me sleepless nights.

 

[MRT]

I'm just moving mine, so feel less guilty about claiming them as P&M 12 years ago. It was giving me sleepless nights.

Something to keep the wind out of the kitchen!

 

[organicguy]

I've not heard of that, but it was always a bit tenuous really. If investigated, at worst you would surely have to prove they were movable and not an integral part of a building? If you fancied the fight I suppose.

I'm just moving mine, so feel less guilty about claiming them as P&M 12 years ago. It was giving me sleepless nights.

The last I heard was internals could be plant and machinery, externals were building.

 

[Nearly]