glasshouse
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- lothians
farm on a much smaller scale.
France set to ban Glyphosate whatever EU decide
- Thread starter An Gof
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More to life
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- Location
- Somerset
Drag couch grass about
Fish
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- Location
- North yorkshire
I think the question should be, what did we do before 1974 ? for that was the year roundup was launched in the uk.
I can remember what we had to do to try and clear couch grass, and I for one do not want to go back to pre 74.
couch grass was a piece of cake to deal with in a rotation, sheep dealt with it, as managed well they grazed it to death - exhausted the rhizomes.plus strategic cultivation,when in to arable.
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
Good farmers dealt with couch no probs,
wrack and ruin is not a saying for nothing.
- Location
- Hampshire
Here is a link to our 'control manual' for those asking about organic standards.
http://ofgorganic.org/documents/
I am currently having a weekend in Thetford, (Dad's Army weekend, OK I'm sad!), and am amazed at the amount of maize having been sown and just coming up, and the fields recently cut, presumably for silage.
Not seen many (any) cows so I presume there's a big AD plant locally?
http://ofgorganic.org/documents/
I am currently having a weekend in Thetford, (Dad's Army weekend, OK I'm sad!), and am amazed at the amount of maize having been sown and just coming up, and the fields recently cut, presumably for silage.
Not seen many (any) cows so I presume there's a big AD plant locally?
- Location
- Ashford, Kent
Sorry if this has already been pointed out but it this not a case of French protectionism. Ban round up, then ban all imports grown using round up. Wipes out a lot of competition so protecting the French market and farmers. Whether the French public will stomach it long term is another question.
- Location
- Ashford, Kent
Also on my Nuffield travels to Switzerland Wolfgang Sturny has a no till rotation without glyphosate. You get paid not to use it there. They were doing some interesting work. Whether the other herbicides they use are better is questionable. They also get frost kill, this helps
Use branded Roundup, but less of it.
- Location
- Ceredigion
Banning roundup could give farming a new life is
you just want more cheap hay to sell
Exfarmer
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- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. I was raised on a mixed farm with les than one a third arable, and couch was the number one weed.
We spent days dragging the weed out with all manner of tools and also TCA ( think that was the stuff) spray it, drag it , chop it, burn it, drain it , lime it, the stuff still kept growing.
The truth was, it loved a high fertility situation and thrived in it.
Thank god for Roundup
The trick was not to let it get to thick/too well established.
We were heavily stocked with sheep when they were at home.not at keep. As well as small arable where the stuff used to try to gain on us ,so cultivation with the spring tines and later sowing roots (from winter ploughing) in the rotation.
It always Rumbled along but it never was allowed to get covering whole fields just patches in certain areas. Stubble burning at certain times helped as well.
You obviously didnt know what you were doing.
We were heavily stocked with sheep when they were at home.not at keep. As well as small arable where the stuff used to try to gain on us ,so cultivation with the spring tines and later sowing roots (from winter ploughing) in the rotation.
It always Rumbled along but it never was allowed to get covering whole fields just patches in certain areas. Stubble burning at certain times helped as well.
You obviously didnt know what you were doing.
The trick was not to let it get to thick/too well established.
We were heavily stocked with sheep when they were at home.not at keep. As well as small arable where the stuff used to try to gain on us ,so cultivation with the spring tines and later sowing roots (from winter ploughing) in the rotation.
It always Rumbled along but it never was allowed to get covering whole fields just patches in certain areas. Stubble burning at certain times helped as well.
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You obviously didnt know what you were doing.
SilliamWhale
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Cant belive roundup gets such a bad press.
By coincidence just looking out over tonight this beautiful mixed farming area we have here. No Direct drilling as far as the eye can see - Majority Mixed farms that haven't changed dramatically apart from scale since that Pre. Glyphosate time.
A picture to see this evening i can tell you.
and by the way no one can convince us black is white.....
A picture to see this evening i can tell you.
and by the way no one can convince us black is white.....
glasshouse
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- lothians
i farmed organicaly for 15yrs, and had to deal with couch grass infestations.
a barsteward fallow from oct till june before swedes with springtining every 3 weeks got rid of it totally.
roundup has just increased cereal production and f.ucked us all.
Couch was natures way of saying time for a rest.
a barsteward fallow from oct till june before swedes with springtining every 3 weeks got rid of it totally.
roundup has just increased cereal production and f.ucked us all.
Couch was natures way of saying time for a rest.
SilliamWhale
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By coincidence just looking out over tonight this beautiful mixed farming area we have here. No Direct drilling as far as the eye can see - Majority Mixed farms that haven't changed dramatically apart from scale since that Pre. Glyphosate time.
A picture to see this evening i can tell you.
and by the way no one can convince us black is white.....
You dont use glyphosate then?
SilliamWhale
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Whats better 3 lha of a chemical costing £6ha or bouncing about all winter with a cultivator trying to pull up rhizomes?
If anything couch is natures way of saying build organic matter..Land doesnt need a rest for goodness sake, unless from people cultivating it all the time.
Best way to reduce production is Nitrogen limits not roundup banning