Fym or Digestate?

[teslacoils]

This autumn I will be starting to rotate the grass on the farm. My nvz / organic manure year is 1st sept to 1st sept.

If you were ploughing / cultivating out a grass ley, and had the option of 40t/ha fym ahead of the plough and bagged fert in spring, or Digestate and a bit of urea in the spring what would you go for? Can't have both, and don't want half doses.

I'm leaning towards the gym despite the crappy economics. Please don't suggest I direct drill it.

 

[Spencer]

40t/ac of FYM

 

[Hard Graft]

what is the digestate as the is it unseparated liquid, separated solids , or separated liquid but FYM is brillant

 

[robbie]

Fym!!!
Especially on your heavy old stuff, it'll work wonders and help keep the ground open.

 

[teslacoils]

what is the digestate as the is it unseparated liquid, separated solids , or separated liquid but FYM is brillant

It's liquid. Maybe four percent om.

 

[teslacoils]

Fym!!!
Especially on your heavy old stuff, it'll work wonders and help keep the ground open.

40t/ac of FYM

Yeah, think 40t/AC might be pushing it unless a very friendly analysis. It's a bit of a minefield juggling all these figures for organic manures.

40t rotted cattle muck > laying hen muck > digestate then....

 

[N.Yorks.]

FYM..... but you've not said if you've got soil analysis?

If you had P & K indices of >3 then maybe the digestate would save you the most cash as the reseed would need roughly 60kgN/ha of available N and you'd get that easily from digestate applied with a dribble bar or swiftly ploughed in (obviously depends on application rate etc etc.)

 

[Hard Graft]

It's liquid. Maybe four percent om.

I would be using that in the spring as it will be leachable and not used and for this reason i would go with FYM

 

[uztrac]

40t/ac of FYM

Is that not a wee bit OTT for the pen pushers ? 25 tonne ha seems more logical..

 

[Spencer]

Is that not a wee bit OTT for the pen pushers ? 25 tonne ha seems more logical..

Sorry officer.. I’m just a simple farmer trying to get to grips with this decimalisation malarkey, must have written acre instead of hectare..

 

[Spencer]

@FarmerBruce

 

[teslacoils]

Is that not a wee bit OTT for the pen pushers ? 25 tonne ha seems more logical..

40t/hectare is full rate cattle fym.

 

[teslacoils]

FYM..... but you've not said if you've got soil analysis?

If you had P & K indices of >3 then maybe the digestate would save you the most cash as the reseed would need roughly 60kgN/ha of available N and you'd get that easily from digestate applied with a dribble bar or swiftly ploughed in (obviously depends on application rate etc etc.)

Index 2.5 p and k. Going in with feed wheat and after a bloody big heap.

 

[Chae1]

40t/hectare is full rate cattle fym.

As far as I'm aware 25t/ha is the maximum allowed application rate.

 

[teslacoils]

As far as I'm aware 25t/ha is the maximum allowed application rate.

Think the difference is between fresh and stored fym. Differing values for n in rb209. I'll have an analysis and agronomist tickets before any goes on in any case.

 

[Renaultman]

FYM every time, although a bit of digestate In the spring as a top up would be nice.

 

[livestock 1]

This autumn I will be starting to rotate the grass on the farm. My nvz / organic manure year is 1st sept to 1st sept.

If you were ploughing / cultivating out a grass ley, and had the option of 40t/ha fym ahead of the plough and bagged fert in spring, or Digestate and a bit of urea in the spring what would you go for? Can't have both, and don't want half doses.

I'm leaning towards the gym despite the crappy economics. Please don't suggest I direct drill it.

Obviously we all have a good idea about the fym and what it’s capabilities are.
Ive had silage off land which has had digestate on and it is strong sour stuff if that’s the best way to explain it. Nothing wrong with it in a way but nothing was over-keen of it. Cropped well. I’m hearing a lot of variables in analysis some not up to much and ecoli issues coming with it.

 

[teslacoils]

The grass is the break on my farm. So the following three cereals really, really have to perform. Still trying to find the best mix of muck and digestate. I put fym on some grass before and the worms had taken it all away in about a month. Just couldn't find a sign!

It's very noticeable which cereal crops have muck ahead of them in autumn though even if economically it's not as good. However heavy land, so the window to get the turds on, blacked over, worked and drilled is not big.

 

[Renaultman]

The grass is the break on my farm. So the following three cereals really, really have to perform. Still trying to find the best mix of muck and digestate. I put fym on some grass before and the worms had taken it all away in about a month. Just couldn't find a sign!

It's very noticeable which cereal crops have muck ahead of them in autumn though even if economically it's not as good. However heavy land, so the window to get the turds on, blacked over, worked and drilled is not big.

Have you looked at incorporating rather than ploughing in? Even if you disc it in then plough after. My gut feeling is it is better spread throughout the soil rather than in one layer.

 

[teslacoils]

Could do. I'm not against a quick pass to chop up the turf.