FYM storage

[Matt77]

I want to start getting muck to one of my blocks of land that hasn’t ever had it as far as I’m aware, I keep getting mixed answers to storing muck on land. The land is all drained and has dykes surrounding and dividing the whole block so the 10meter thing is impossible. There is also some SSSI grass land there. How do other people go about storing their FYM out in the fields ready for spreading.

 

[Boysground]

Fym can be stacked in a field ok. If you search the nvz rules on gov.co.uk you will find everything you need.

Think not within 50m of well or borehole, and not near waterways 20m possibly. I don’t know about land drains. Under nvz you have to map the position. I would stay clear of the sssi just to be sure.

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[HarryB97]

I imagine the majority of muck heaps you see are on drained land. If the drains are old I wouldnt worry to much but if they're new and flowing well then be careful. To be on the safe side i'd take it there in the summer a month before you plan to spread then there is minimal chance of runoff and leaching etc

 

[Matt77]

Fym can be stacked in a field ok. If you search the nvz rules on gov.co.uk you will find everything you need.

Think not within 50m of well or borehole, and not near waterways 20m possibly. I don’t know about land drains. Under nvz you have to map the position. I would stay clear of the sssi just to be sure.

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10 meters of land drains which am I right in thinking a chain is 20-25 meters and 10 meters of water ways I think??

 

[Boysground]

10 meters of land drains which am I right in thinking a chain is 20-25 meters and 10 meters of water ways I think??

You could well be right. Not near my book of rules and no land drains on my farm so not a figure I need to remember

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[Northeastfarmer]

Just tip it where no one can see

 

[Matt77]

Just tip it where no one can see

Too many eyes in the sky these days

 

[Matt77]

I imagine the majority of muck heaps you see are on drained land. If the drains are old I wouldnt worry to much but if they're new and flowing well then be careful. To be on the safe side i'd take it there in the summer a month before you plan to spread then there is minimal chance of runoff and leaching etc

This is what we do now on the home farm, move it from the permanent store at the back of the sheds to the fields, but I’d ideally like to get on with moving to this block of land in the quiet months while chap and tractor aren’t as busy, like now, and spread straight after the combine, it’s quite a trek, about 45 min round trip.

 

[Badshot]

Make sure whatever you do it's right in the eyes of rpa, neighbour got a hefty fine for a muckheap too close to a dyke.

I believe you can do temporary storage, think less than 12 weeks, of solid muck without worrying about drains.
Don't hold me to that though.

There used to be a lot of sewage sludge used round here, no longer as the drain issue became apparent

 

[Matt77]

Make sure whatever you do it's right in the eyes of rpa, neighbour got a hefty fine for a muckheap too close to a dyke.

I believe you can do temporary storage, think less than 12 weeks, of solid muck without worrying about drains.
Don't hold me to that though.

There used to be a lot of sewage sludge used round here, no longer as the drain issue became apparent

Yep, heard same regarding the sludge gang. I think the time scale is the one I’m getting so many mixed answers on. I’m happy to tip on crop in field away from dykes but it’s the drains that are the headache.

 

[topground]

Why handle muck twice? Haul in the spreader and leave it where it does most good if it going onto grassland. Might be different if the ground is to be ploughed but that is not what is indicated n the original post. Yiu can spread fym whenever you like as far as I am aware.

 

[Matt77]

Why handle muck twice? Haul in the spreader and leave it where it does most good if it going onto grassland. Might be different if the ground is to be ploughed but that is not what is indicated n the original post. Yiu can spread fym whenever you like as far as I am aware.

It’s a long haul through town, it would take over a week to do a days spreading sadly so that’s not an option. It’s to go on arable land.

 

[Brisel]

I want to start getting muck to one of my blocks of land that hasn’t ever had it as far as I’m aware, I keep getting mixed answers to storing muck on land. The land is all drained and has dykes surrounding and dividing the whole block so the 10meter thing is impossible. There is also some SSSI grass land there. How do other people go about storing their FYM out in the fields ready for spreading.

Here's the official bit:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/storing-organic-manures-in-nitrate-vulnerable-zones

Is there any land without drains under it or any yards you could use? You'd have to demonstrate how you'd deal with any run off if using concrete.

 

[Matt77]

Thanks for that, yes I’ve seen that and to the letter of the law I don’t think I can do anything, guess I was more asking with wishful thinking even though I know not much can be done.
I’ve got the drainage maps, typically all the areas I can get to in the winter are drained but if it continues to be dry I might brave it to a further part of the field that’s not got a drain within 10m but then I’ll be damaging the ground getting there.
There’s a grain store there but everything else is SSSI so it’s the arable ground or nothing by the sounds of it, it’s not in a nvz but I don’t think that’s helps anyway.
Maybe a 3m strip to a lump to get a few hundred tons of the good stuff there is a worthwhile sacrifice.

 

[Badshot]

Bloody ridiculous isn't it!!!

 

[Brisel]

@Matt77 did you say that the farm is not in a NVZ? If so, a lot of those rules don't apply but you're back to the SMRs and GAEC under BPS. https://assets.publishing.service.g...e/764890/Cross_Compliance_2019_rules_v1.0.pdf

 

[ollie989898]

Here's the official bit:
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/storing-organic-manures-in-nitrate-vulnerable-zones

Is there any land without drains under it or any yards you could use? You'd have to demonstrate how you'd deal with any run off if using concrete.

All largely common sense.

If a muck heap cannot be sited in a field without meeting the 10 metres from a watercourse (I personally would suggest 20m for peace of mind) then just don't heap muck in it. It isn't worth the EA getting medieval on your backside when one of them notices the run off from a heap in heavy rain.

Putting a few old bales around a heap can help stop some of the skunge escaping, remove strings and spread/burn when the time comes.

 

[Brisel]

All largely common sense.

If a muck heap cannot be sited in a field without meeting the 10 metres from a watercourse (I personally would suggest 20m for peace of mind) then just don't heap muck in it. It isn't worth the EA getting medieval on your backside when one of them notices the run off from a heap in heavy rain.

Putting a few old bales around a heap can help stop some of the skunge escaping, remove strings and spread/burn when the time comes.

That is no help to the OP....

 

[ollie989898]

That is no help to the OP....

I know but breaking the 10m rule is going to be instant court case material, irrespective of his location and being in an NVZ or not. I wouldn't do it. You don't even need to be claiming BPS to be prosecuted for polluting water if they provide you are not following the guidelines for the protection of water.

 

[Brisel]

I know but breaking the 10m rule is going to be instant court case material, irrespective of his location and being in an NVZ or not. I wouldn't do it. You don't even need to be claiming BPS to be prosecuted for polluting water if they provide you are not following the guidelines for the protection of water.

Show me the legislation that shows the 10m rule for land drains outside a NVZ.