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Meat taxes will make British farmers go greener, says George Eustice​


Government already working on new levies for parts of the food sector that contribute most to global warming, reveals Environment Secretary

The farming minister has signalled his support for meat taxes, in an interview with The Telegraph.
On the eve of the Cop26 summit in Glasgow, George Eustice has said that the UK will need to “move into the realms of things like carbon taxes” when existing EU agricultural subsidies are finally phased out.
Mr Eustice, the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Secretary, disclosed that the Government was already working on a new tax system for parts of the food sector that contribute most to global warming, such as meat and dairy.
By placing levies on high polluters, such a move could help cut down emissions, and is also likely to help British farmers compete with post-Brexit imports.
Any new tax could, however, raise the price of red meat. Mr Eustice said that according to the Government’s own modelling, prices were already set to increase in real terms by 10 per cent over the next five years.
Mr Eustice told The Telegraph that a planned restructuring of the £3.5 billion EU agricultural subsidies would encourage farmers to produce higher-welfare and more environmentally friendly food over the next seven years.
But he added: “Beyond that, you then start to move into the realms of things like carbon taxes. But we need to do the thinking about it now.”
It comes as Boris Johnson warned that civilisation could fall once again like the Roman Empire if the world failed to make sufficient progress on curbing climate change.
Speaking on Friday night as he landed in Rome for the G20 summit, the Prime Minister said being in the Eternal City should serve as a “fantastic reminder” and a “memento mori” that societies could go “backwards as well as forwards”.
“You saw that with the decline and fall of the Roman Empire and I’m afraid to say it’s true today, that unless we get this right in tackling climate change we could see our civilisation, our wo
Mr Johnson then deployed a football analogy to warn that humanity was currently “5-1 down” at half-time against the “formidable opponent” that is global warming.
The new carbon taxation system raised by Mr Eustice would be introduced after 2027, by which time the Brexit transition period for agricultural subsidies would have come to an end.
He said carbon border taxes would also be brought in and their purpose “would be to encourage countries like Australia, like New Zealand, to tackle their own greenhouse gas emissions”.
Mr Eustice said: “If there are other countries in the world that don’t pull their weight, and don’t do their share, you know, at some point you will have to find a way of reflecting that in international trade.”
He said: “The Treasury and BEIS [the business department] are doing a piece of work on this. Ideally for it to work obviously it would be agreed multilaterally.”
He added: “All of this is supposes that you would move in the direction of carbon emissions trading” first in the UK agriculture sector.

George Eustice claims the taxes would mean British meat was cheaper for consumers than imports
If such a taxation system was brought in, British meat was likely to be cheaper for consumers than imports because it would be less polluting.
British farmers have accused the Government of undermining efforts to produce more environmentally friendly food in its trade deals with New Zealand and Australia.
Minette Batters, the president of the National Farmers’ Union said: “We are opening our doors to the potential for significant extra volumes of food to be imported here – whether or not produced to our own high standards – to the detriment of British farming and the future of food production here.”
But Mr Eustice argued that although the trade deals may lead to increased imports, they were likely to displace others from the EU. He added that quota-free tariffs on agricultural imports would only be phased in over 15 years, during which time consumer preferences may switch to high-welfare British produce.
In his Telegraph interview, Mr Eustice denied it would be necessary to switch to a vegan diet, but did suggest people should eat less meat that was better quality.
A new taxation system for carbon intensive food production would put a set price on each tonne of greenhouse gas emissions produced. The tax would act as an incentive for the food industry to reduce emissions and for the public to eat less meat.
Similar taxes are already applied in the UK on heavy industry and electricity supply.
The Government was criticised this week by its climate change advisers, the CCC, for avoiding the question of dietary changes in its recent net zero strategy to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 2035.

The net zero strategy instead relies on “emerging technology”, such as feed additives made from seaweed to cut methane from ruminants, which accounts for around five per cent of the UK’s greenhouse gas emissions.
Mr Eustice also told The Telegraph that restaurants needed to be encouraged to better label their menus so diners understood where their food was from and how it was produced.
“We’ve taken powers in the agriculture bill to look at whether we can strengthen mandatory food labelling around things like methods of production,” he said. “We don’t rule out seeking to do that on the service trade as well. It would be menu labelling, it would be harder to do.”
 

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Meat taxes will make British farmers go greener, says George Eustice​


Government already working on new levies for parts of the food sector that contribute most to global warming, reveals Environment Secretary

The farming minister has signalled his support for meat taxes, in an interview with The Telegraph.
On the eve of the Cop26 summit in Glasgow, George Eustice has said that the UK will need to “move into the realms of things like carbon taxes” when existing EU agricultural subsidies are finally phased out.
Mr Eustice, the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Secretary, disclosed that the Government was already working on a new tax system for parts of the food sector that contribute most to global warming, such as meat and dairy.
By placing levies on high polluters, such a move could help cut down emissions, and is also likely to help British farmers compete with post-Brexit imports.
Any new tax could, however, raise the price of red meat. Mr Eustice said that according to the Government’s own modelling, prices were already set to increase in real terms by 10 per cent over the next five years.
Mr Eustice told The Telegraph that a planned restructuring of the £3.5 billion EU agricultural subsidies would encourage farmers to produce higher-welfare and more environmentally friendly food over the next seven years.
But he added: “Beyond that, you then start to move into the realms of things like carbon taxes. But we need to do the thinking about it now.”
It comes as Boris Johnson warned that civilisation could fall once again like the Roman Empire if the world failed to make sufficient progress on curbing climate change.
Speaking on Friday night as he landed in Rome for the G20 summit, the Prime Minister said being in the Eternal City should serve as a “fantastic reminder” and a “memento mori” that societies could go “backwards as well as forwards”.
“You saw that with the decline and fall of the Roman Empire and I’m afraid to say it’s true today, that unless we get this right in tackling climate change we could see our civilisation, our wo
Mr Johnson then deployed a football analogy to warn that humanity was currently “5-1 down” at half-time against the “formidable opponent” that is global warming.
The new carbon taxation system raised by Mr Eustice would be introduced after 2027, by which time the Brexit transition period for agricultural subsidies would have come to an end.
He said carbon border taxes would also be brought in and their purpose “would be to encourage countries like Australia, like New Zealand, to tackle their own greenhouse gas emissions”.
Mr Eustice said: “If there are other countries in the world that don’t pull their weight, and don’t do their share, you know, at some point you will have to find a way of reflecting that in international trade.”
He said: “The Treasury and BEIS [the business department] are doing a piece of work on this. Ideally for it to work obviously it would be agreed multilaterally.”
He added: “All of this is supposes that you would move in the direction of carbon emissions trading” first in the UK agriculture sector.

George Eustice claims the taxes would mean British meat was cheaper for consumers than imports
If such a taxation system was brought in, British meat was likely to be cheaper for consumers than imports because it would be less polluting.
British farmers have accused the Government of undermining efforts to produce more environmentally friendly food in its trade deals with New Zealand and Australia.
Minette Batters, the president of the National Farmers’ Union said: “We are opening our doors to the potential for significant extra volumes of food to be imported here – whether or not produced to our own high standards – to the detriment of British farming and the future of food production here.”
But Mr Eustice argued that although the trade deals may lead to increased imports, they were likely to displace others from the EU. He added that quota-free tariffs on agricultural imports would only be phased in over 15 years, during which time consumer preferences may switch to high-welfare British produce.
In his Telegraph interview, Mr Eustice denied it would be necessary to switch to a vegan diet, but did suggest people should eat less meat that was better quality.
A new taxation system for carbon intensive food production would put a set price on each tonne of greenhouse gas emissions produced. The tax would act as an incentive for the food industry to reduce emissions and for the public to eat less meat.
Similar taxes are already applied in the UK on heavy industry and electricity supply.
The Government was criticised this week by its climate change advisers, the CCC, for avoiding the question of dietary changes in its recent net zero strategy to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 2035.

The net zero strategy instead relies on “emerging technology”, such as feed additives made from seaweed to cut methane from ruminants, which accounts for around five per cent of the UK’s greenhouse gas emissions.
Mr Eustice also told The Telegraph that restaurants needed to be encouraged to better label their menus so diners understood where their food was from and how it was produced.
“We’ve taken powers in the agriculture bill to look at whether we can strengthen mandatory food labelling around things like methods of production,” he said. “We don’t rule out seeking to do that on the service trade as well. It would be menu labelling, it would be harder to do.”
Is this for real?? If it is I really fear for the future of this country,idiot doesn’t even come close.:banhappy::banghead:
 

neilo

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Is this for real?? If it is I really fear for the future of this country,idiot doesn’t even come close.:banhappy::banghead:

Without imposing the same restrictions and ‘carbon taxes’ on imported products, then they might as well just pull the plug on UK Ag now tbh.

It seems incredulous that any govt imposing such measures would ever countenance allowing products in to the country without the same. But hey, this lot never cease to amaze. :banghead:
 
Without imposing the same restrictions and ‘carbon taxes’ on imported products, then they might as well just pull the plug on UK Ag now tbh.

It seems incredulous that any govt imposing such measures would ever countenance allowing products in to the country without the same. But hey, this lot never cease to amaze. :banghead:


The article does mention putting carbon taxes on imports.

But like you I doubt it. We don't produce many goods in the UK, so Carbon Taxes on imports is going to be inflationary and hit poor families hard. The political pressure will be for votes, which will mean meaningless taxes on imports.

I also think most of the Conservative Party don't care at all for agriculture, industry and manufacturing. They want lawyers, bureacrats, property, immigration, tourists, health workers - anything which can be manipulated by an education certificate and high hourly rates.

I also think this is why Liz Truss has negotiated her "Global Britain" deals. They've lost EU imports as a means to circumvent UK worker instability and need a means to negate "strikes" or "action" by workers. Imports are key in this regard.

It would also be a win/win for those who want to make Carbon Credit money to be able to buy Agricultural land cheap.
 

delilah

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Government already working on new levies for parts of the food sector that contribute most to global warming, reveals Environment Secretary

You only need to read as far as the first paragraph to be able to put this into context. Three weeks ago Sir Dave Lewis was appointed as the Governments supply chain tzar. An appointment that was greeted gushingly by the President of the NFU. Lewis will have been busy, you don't get to be as successful as he has by being a slouch. It will have been explained to Useless that the only way to increase efficiency in the food chain is to speed up the process that has been in place for decades; rationalization and centralization. This will need paying for; increased motorway capacity, extra port capacity, compulsory purchase for distribution capacity, waste disposal capacity The way to pay for this will be to tax primary production, under the guise of saving the planet.

It's all bollox. It will make the environmental impact of the food chain greater, not less. It will benefit no-one but the shareholders of global corporations. And it will all be your fault, as you vote for it daily through your acquiescence.

edit. Having read it all I fail to see how Mr Eustice can be blamed. Everything he says and calls for is supported by UK ag.
Methane belched by cows is destroying the planet: Official NFU policy.
We need a tax on cows: As called for by the NBA.
We need to produce less red meat: As advised to Government by the AHDB.
 
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We are gradually getting screwed over on everything.when this country is covered in trees and wild flowers and everything is imported we will be held to ransom by the rest of the world supplying us.
nick…
Exactly, if this route is pursued, at some point in the future the country will become royally fecked. Be it food or manufacturing or other low valued occupations.

Then the high wage, high skilled occupations can write their legal letters demanding imports, write their academic papers pontificating on how to deal with the crisis, the money men will circle the wagons to protect their portfolios, the well off smug middle class will look to the government, the government will look to the workforce and there’ll be no one there to respond.

I cannot believe the shortsighted nature of this moronic uk government. As a unionist I am looking at snp policy and thinking that maybe Scottish independence, whilst opening up a whole different shite show of incompetence, could actually be the lesser of 2 evils for our future livelihoods. At least they place some value on what we do.

I don’t know what game Boris is playing but I don’t think the fanny gives a toss about the repercussions.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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We either have to step up and start aggressively challenging the narrative behind all this or accept its going to happen. I'm afraid @delilah is right on this.

Even the IPCC 6th report called for cutting methane emmissions to create a short term cooling effect to buy time to deeply cut fossil carbon emissions.

If our leaders go ahead with this policy we have to beat them around the head with the statement above and hold them to the but they find unpalatable.
 

holwellcourtfarm

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The plan is to afforest the UK. Everything I read and hear from the environmental lobby is along those lines. They rarely discuss food. It is always trapping carbon.
There is study evidence now that trees are no better, and can be worse, than well managed pasture. We need to be shouting then from the rooftops imho.
 

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There is study evidence now that trees are no better, and can be worse, than well managed pasture. We need to be shouting then from the rooftops imho.
If you think about it grazed pasture has to be a better sequestrator of carbon than trees as every inch of that ground is sucking in carbon for most of the year , grazing keeps it photosynthesising as it keeps it green and prevents it going rank and dead.
 

neilo

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And yet most people here will blindly vote conservative again at the next election.

I'd have thought that tide was slowly turning, although many will obviously be voting to best protect their (considerable) capital asset, rather than worry about anything, or anyone, else.

If only there was an effective opposition. :banghead:
 
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