Grass Seed Advice

[LB2419]

Hi there,
I am looking to reseed a clay type soil in coming weeks, it has recieved Lime and has pH 7 but is Index 2 for P and K according to recent soil tests.
We sowed a Perennial Ryegrass mixture in previous years but it was unsuitable for the soil and we simply dont want to put out the fertiliser required to sustain the intensive swarth.

We want to use minimal fertiliser, so we are considering organic mixtures, this ground is permanent pasture for cattle.

I hope someone on here can assist me in choosing a suitable mixture for our situation.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

What Perennial Ryegrass did you sow and did you include legumes ?
Organic seed is no different than conventional, only in that its grown organically, a lot of the varieties are the same , they just include more legumes usually,

 

[Kidds]

@Great In Grass

 

[Cocomac]

What area of the country are you in? Because that can make a difference in the seed you use. We use something called Argyll mix which was designed for Argyll &Kintyre but also works well for the soil we have on Arran. There may be something similar for your area.

 

[LB2419]

What Perennial Ryegrass did you sow and did you include legumes ?
Organic seed is no different than conventional, only in that its grown organically, a lot of the varieties are the same , they just include more legumes usually,

Cant remember now, it was a One Cut and Graze type of idea, the clover all died out over the last few years with wet weather and high fertiliser prices

What area of the country are you in? Because that can make a difference in the seed you use. We use something called Argyll mix which was designed for Argyll &Kintyre but also works well for the soil we have on Arran. There may be something similar for your area.

We are in the midlands

 

[DaveGrohl]

Cant remember now, it was a One Cut and Graze type of idea, the clover all died out over the last few years with wet weather and high fertiliser prices


We are in the midlands

That’s an odd link? High fert prices made people put less fert on which would help the clover surely.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

For wet clay and permanent pasture unless you are cutting a lot then the last thing you should use is a cut and graze mix , a late Perennial Ryegrass with some Timothy will easy cover with two cuts and cope far better with hard grazing on clay soils
And more than likely it was the wrong clover if it was a cutting mix
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[Dancingbrave]

Herbal diploid ryegrass mix stupid government will pay you £150 per acre to grow it

 

[wdah/him]

For wet clay and permanent pasture unless you are cutting a lot then the last thing you should use is a cut and graze mix , a late Perennial Ryegrass with some Timothy will easy cover with two cuts and cope far better with hard grazing on clay soils
And more than likely it was the wrong clover if it was a cutting mix
.

I go with this. One of our best reseeds was a mix called super graze. Lane was heavy and tended to be wet. We cut it maybe twice for silage and grazed, some wet years it was only one cut. Ph wouldn’t have been much over 6 but still performed ok, really took off the last 4 years before it was reseeded again as we ramped up the K closer to 3 or over it. Even now with a less suitable seed it performs ok if we don’t shy with K when we aim for silage. 25.0.13,24.6.12 etc 2 bags an acre for first cut. Maybe half bag of straight potash if I had some and then just nitrogen. Never sow heavy here and try to slurry after cut. Cut and graze mixes don’t work around here but a good grazing ley with good ground cover/close growing stands a lot of abuse