grass seeds on rented land

[Stinker]

I'm looking for recommendations for which grass seed to use. I run some dairy heifers quite extensively on rented ground. Ph, P and K aren't the best but I dont want to spend a fortune correcting it. I just would rather the cows were not eating Yorkshire fog.

I have planted British seed houses hsg3 before but after 3 years or so it does out. Any ideas what grass types would be more persistent but provide good grazing quality.

Yield isn't that important as I have plenty of acres to graze.

 

[YorkshireAndrew]

@Kevtherev will be able to advise & supply grass seed .

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I'm looking for recommendations for which grass seed to use. I run some dairy heifers quite extensively on rented ground. Ph, P and K aren't the best but I dont want to spend a fortune correcting it. I just would rather the cows were not eating Yorkshire fog.

I have planted British seed houses hsg3 before but after 3 years or so it does out. Any ideas what grass types would be more persistent but provide good grazing quality.

Yield isn't that important as I have plenty of acres to graze.

How long do you want it to last and is it just grazing . ?
It may be worth having a word with the owner as well .its in his interest to maintain the PH or no grass worth having will last .

 

[Werzle]

Pochon persistent from cotswold seeds

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Pochon persistent from cotswold seeds

£70/acre for 12 kg of seed [emoji29]

 

[Werzle]

£70/acre for 12 kg of seed [emoji29]

Buy cheap, buy twice!

 

[deleted user 837354]

I'm looking for recommendations for which grass seed to use. I run some dairy heifers quite extensively on rented ground. Ph, P and K aren't the best but I dont want to spend a fortune correcting it. I just would rather the cows were not eating Yorkshire fog.

I have planted British seed houses hsg3 before but after 3 years or so it does out. Any ideas what grass types would be more persistent but provide good grazing quality.

Yield isn't that important as I have plenty of acres to graze.

To be honest, reseeding something yet neglecting P,K and pH is going to mean any super duper ryegrass you plant will be fudged in no time, if they manage to really establish at all.

Those BSH mixtures were never cheap and I certainly would not be telling you to buy them for patches of rented ground you have no security on.

You need to speak with the owners and explain the position you have. You need the security of having the land for several years before going to the expense of reseeding or you might as well just plant some cheap hybrids or something.

You say you want something that lives more than 3 years yet don't want the expense of a decent long term ley. If all you are doing is extensively grazing heifers is a bit of weed grass any real issue?

 

[deleted user 837354]

Buy cheap, buy twice!

What is in that mixture? 12kg is very low for a conventional all grass mixture.

 

[Werzle]

What is in that mixture? 12kg is very low for a conventional all grass mixture.

2 types of perennial ryegrass, 2 tet.perennials and 3 types of white clover

 

[neilo]

As above, if you don't sort the fundamentals of pH, P& K, no productive grasses are going to last long, hence what's there now. You will see far more production improvement for your money through investing in the basics, then ever you will from new seeds.

Once you have those basics going the right way, you would improve the sward makeup dramatically by subdividing with electric fencing and rotating a bit, if it's at all possible on that land (it might be parkland riddled with footpaths for all we know). The expense of reseeding would be the last thing on my list, with any land with no security.

 

[neilo]

£70/acre for 12 kg of seed [emoji29]

Most of the mixes from there will have a premium price tag.

 

[deleted user 837354]

2 types of perennial ryegrass, 2 tet.perennials and 3 types of white clover

There is no need for 3 types of white clover, why people make mixes so complex I will never know.

 

[neilo]

There is no need for 3 types of white clover, why people make mixes so complex I will never know.

Most commercially available mixes with clover, have a 'white clover blend', which is a mixture of 2-3 varieties. It makes perfect sense to me, as one will be more likely to prosper whatever the management of the pasture.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Most commercially available mixes with clover, have a 'white clover blend', which is a mixture of 2-3 varieties. It makes perfect sense to me, as one will be more likely to prosper whatever the management of the pasture.

It's nonsense. They are probably buying in a blend to begin with or something. Clover with either take or it won't the variety won't have much sway in that. The main difference is in leaf size and growth habit really.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Most of the mixes from there will have a premium price tag.

I've noticed .

 

[Derrick Hughes]

What is in that mixture? 12kg is very low for a conventional all grass mixture.

1

 

[deleted user 837354]

Well if they can get near £70 for that good on em....

 

[Werzle]

Im not to bothered tbh ollie, i thought i would wind derrick up abit . Are you an farmer, agri adviser or seed merchant? You seem to know alot

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Well if they can get near £70 for that good on em....

You can't win sometimes in business . Those stakes at £2-35 , the comments I have had that they must be rubbish . I can't see anything wrong with them apart from an odd thin one . He's improrting them direct and passing the discount on ,

 

[deleted user 837354]

You can't win sometimes in business . Those stakes at £2-35 , the comments I have had that they must be rubbish . I can't see anything wrong with them apart from an odd thin one . He's improrting them direct and passing the discount on ,

No, seriously, if they are flogging that mix for £70 good on em.