Grass weed plan harvest 25

[warksfarmer]

So who’s drilling early due to last autumn?
Whats the establishment plan?
Drilling date?
Herbicide plan?

 

[bobk]

So who’s drilling early due to last autumn?
Whats the establishment plan?
Drilling date?
Herbicide plan?

Yes to no 1 .

 

[teslacoils]

Will aim to plant third week in September after grass leys. Flufenscet plus defy, FB stomp Atlantis.

I've some dirty ground due for third wheat which will be ploughed, and if it's kind will go in with wheat during half term, or will be left for spring barley.

 

[alomy75]

Same as normal; 2nd week of October onwards. If the forecast looks bad I’ll maybe come forward to the 1st week but drilling in September if you have blackgrass is asking for trouble imo.

 

[principal skinner]

Watch forecast
Start drilling when I can see ten days good
Drill nothing that won’t get a pre em
Follow up with a post em

If I have to start drilling last week September so be it.

 

[Wombat]

Same as last year first/second week of Oct then hope we don’t get 150mm of rain in the last 10 days of oct

 

[farmbrew]

End September, certainly will have some Avedex in the mix

 

[deleted user 837354]

Will aim to plant third week in September after grass leys. Flufenscet plus defy, FB stomp Atlantis.

I've some dirty ground due for third wheat which will be ploughed, and if it's kind will go in with wheat during half term, or will be left for spring barley.

It will be interesting to see how you get on behind those grass leys of yours and what effect (if any) there has been on your grass weed burden.

 

[teslacoils]

It will be interesting to see how you get on behind those grass leys of yours and what effect (if any) there has been on your grass weed burden.

It's usually pretty decent. Actually breaking up the grass is usually the biggest issue. The ground is usually so hard it doesn't plough like you see folk on easy land just turning it over! I'd normally plough it in the second year. The trick seems to be in roguing the crap out of it year 1. It will still be an expensive crop to grow but usually the yields make it worth it.

Going forward, all my grass has been replaced with num3 on a non rotational basis for the next three years. Grass just wasn't paying.

 

[DrWazzock]

I aim to plough my wheat land and drill a third wheat by the end of September.
4th October is the date where you are into very tricky conditions here, nine years out of ten.
Forget chits and all that. It never happens. I’ve rogued it fairly clean this year, so with a decent autumn stack we should be OK. Anything problematic is going in with num3.

 

[Oliveau]

Hampshire 1969. No blackgrass problem back in those days. We finished autumn sowing of 800 acres before I went off the college at the end of September. But the following summer disease hit the wheat hard {remember Maris Nimrod?] ,and it was put down to drilling too early, with crops very proud in the spring

 

[Wigeon]

It's usually pretty decent. Actually breaking up the grass is usually the biggest issue. The ground is usually so hard it doesn't plough like you see folk on easy land just turning it over! I'd normally plough it in the second year. The trick seems to be in roguing the crap out of it year 1. It will still be an expensive crop to grow but usually the yields make it worth it.

Going forward, all my grass has been replaced with num3 on a non rotational basis for the next three years. Grass just wasn't paying.

Yup, strong land grass termination is nothing like the pictures you see. It's often a struggle to get anything in the ground, let alone turn it over nicely!

 

[teslacoils]

Yup, strong land grass termination is nothing like the pictures you see. It's often a struggle to get anything in the ground, let alone turn it over nicely!

There's no way you'd get a plough in this after three years of fairly intense silage.

I will run a Simba mono over it, maybe twice. Then subsoil, press and roll. Walk away and not look at it. A month later, spray off, power harrow if needed and drill.

Yikes that sounds dear. As does the 300kg of nitrogen it will get. But I bet it yields

And it will the second and third year too.

 

[Wigeon]

There's no way you'd get a plough in this after three years of fairly intense silage.

I will run a Simba mono over it, maybe twice. Then subsoil, press and roll. Walk away and not look at it. A month later, spray off, power harrow if needed and drill.

Yikes that sounds dear. As does the 300kg of nitrogen it will get. But I bet it yields

And it will the second and third year too.

Slightly different point, but once when I was feeling trendy I tried to kill organic grass without ploughing, in a hot summer.

Total disaster. Legs though it, taking most of 400hp pulling 4m of just grange low disturbance legs... wouldn't pull the whole machine.

then 4x over with the 2bs.

Still wouldn't die.

Then ploughed, not very well.

Not doing that again...

 

[teslacoils]

Slightly different point, but once when I was feeling trendy I tried to kill organic grass without ploughing, in a hot summer.

Total disaster. Legs though it, taking most of 400hp pulling 4m of just grange low disturbance legs... wouldn't pull the whole machine.

then 4x over with the 2bs.

Still wouldn't die.

Then ploughed, not very well.

Not doing that again...

Last time I turned grass into wheat was harvest 2024. You couldnt get a disc or a plough point into it that summer. In the end it was ploughed in December as that was when it was soft enough to go.

 

[DrWazzock]

Ryegrass leys after sheep on heavy land in a dry summer can be like reinforced concrete here. It’s generally during the second year of subsequent cropping that you get payback.
First year we tried direct drilling was a summer where we couldn’t get the plough in. Direct drilled OSR into grass fairly successfully. Wouldn’t do that for wheat.
Anyway hope to plough this year before third wheat to bury the BG seed we will probably have missed during roguing. Leave it on top and we are “asking for it” IMO. Enquiring about MF30 drill skeaths as I type.

 

[Brisel]

So who’s drilling early due to last autumn?
Whats the establishment plan?
Drilling date?
Herbicide plan?

Not me. I plan to sell the Blackgrass Germinator (strip till drill) and buy a low disturbance drill on narrower rows.
More cultivation where appropriate, including some ploughing in really dirty fields. Fallow land has already had manure & been ripped up.
No wheat sown before October, same as last year.
As per last year, Avadex on the back of the drill. Higher seed rates for crop competition too.

 

[WOODCHIP]

Not me. I plan to sell the Blackgrass Germinator (strip till drill) and buy a low disturbance drill on narrower rows.
More cultivation where appropriate, including some ploughing in really dirty fields. Fallow land has already had manure & been ripped up.
No wheat sown before October, same as last year.
As per last year, Avadex on the back of the drill. Higher seed rates for crop competition too.

What make of drill do you have in mind ?

 

[fudge]

Not me. I plan to sell the Blackgrass Germinator (strip till drill) and buy a low disturbance drill on narrower rows.
More cultivation where appropriate, including some ploughing in really dirty fields. Fallow land has already had manure & been ripped up.
No wheat sown before October, same as last year.
As per last year, Avadex on the back of the drill. Higher seed rates for crop competition too.

This won't work, you have forgotten to keep your fingers crossed for a drier season.

 

[Brisel]

This won't work, you have forgotten to keep your fingers crossed for a drier season.

Just tweaking the factors I can control...

I don't want it too dry. The drought of 2022 meant no stale seedbeds which set us back years in BG control.