Can I graze cattle in a field which is immeadiately next to a pet food factory? They produce a raw meat dog food.The field and site share a common entrance. The field will be fenced off from the unit.The person renting the unit is saying,"defra won't like this" etc etc and is starting to give me grief. I have been given the use of the field for a cut of silage/ hay and also grazing afterwards, Angus.
Grazing cattle next to a pet food production unit.
- Thread starter Angus
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Exfarmer
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- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
is it legal to sell raw meat for pet food?
I guess so, the unit has to be approved by defra or the food standards agency, I think.
Exfarmer
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- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
what a crazy world, can think of no better way to spread disease.
michael N123
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Well if any die you won’t have trouble getting rid of them
- Location
- Cumbria
Could I suggest you check with the EA.
The latest EU ABP regulations on CAT3 waste has something about the distance the plant should be from grazing animals, however this may not be your problem.....
You may find some help here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/animal-by-product-categories-site-approval-hygiene-and-disposal
The latest EU ABP regulations on CAT3 waste has something about the distance the plant should be from grazing animals, however this may not be your problem.....
You may find some help here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/animal-by-product-categories-site-approval-hygiene-and-disposal
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
I think you can do as you wish. I would suggest it's the responsibility of the factory owner to ensure their processes are safe and do not interfere with others use of their own property. It certainly shouldn't be your responsibility.
I would think Environmental Health would be onto this pretty quick if there was a problem.
If it's not safe for grazing cattle....it's not really safe for humans, or dog walkers or anybody.
I would think Environmental Health would be onto this pretty quick if there was a problem.
If it's not safe for grazing cattle....it's not really safe for humans, or dog walkers or anybody.
ollie989898
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I cant see what the problem is. Unless it is that much of a hole vermin are able to drag food materials off site.
They graze cattle along the fenceline at Sellafield where high level radioactive waste is reprocessed. A pet food factor cant be that bad.
They graze cattle along the fenceline at Sellafield where high level radioactive waste is reprocessed. A pet food factor cant be that bad.
- Location
- Cumbria
In the event you were applying to build/operate a new plant, then of course you need to comply with the regulations.
If you had an existing plant, and the regulations changed over the years, bespoke permitting is there to accommodate this.
The main risk is pathogens and disease, and the spreading of these.
As has been prior stated, the problem may not be for the land/stock owner to deal with.......
If new regulations come along and they are applied retrospectively and something got inadvertently missed, then who is to put it right, and who is to be compensated ?
If you had an existing plant, and the regulations changed over the years, bespoke permitting is there to accommodate this.
The main risk is pathogens and disease, and the spreading of these.
As has been prior stated, the problem may not be for the land/stock owner to deal with.......
If new regulations come along and they are applied retrospectively and something got inadvertently missed, then who is to put it right, and who is to be compensated ?
I will look into the regulations regarding the distance livestock grazing from the plant should be. Mulling things over last night, I came to the conclusion it must be a worse case scenario about prevention of spread of infectious disease/pathogens, just as you have remarked thesilentone.
I will update what I manage to find out. It does make me question, what is the risk of some pathogen spread. Thank you for your comments, Angus.
I will update what I manage to find out. It does make me question, what is the risk of some pathogen spread. Thank you for your comments, Angus.
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
@360farmsupport might find this interesting. Stretching it a little outside his realms....but I know he loves his regulation! 
- Location
- Leicester/England
@360farmsupport might find this interesting. Stretching it a little outside his realms....but I know he loves his regulation!
I know, sad isn't it
ABP is not something I deal with much. However, it would be up to the operator to demonstrate to APHA that the plant does not pose a threat to disease security and/or animal health. I would be more concerned with the shared access to be honest, vehicles may be clean coming out, but what about going in?
If it has an APHA licence, surely they must have taken in to account that a grass field in Devon was going to be grazed at some point? I would suggest that, as it is licenced, APHA considered this and deemed the plant to be safe.
Here's the pet food bit, it's Cat 3 stuff only https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-animal-by-products-to-make-pet-food
- Location
- Leicester/England
Where Regulations come in to force there is always a transition period to allow existing operations to comply with the new Regulations, or cease operating. From a waste perspective that is.
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
I know, sad isn't it
ABP is not something I deal with much. However, it would be up to the operator to demonstrate to APHA that the plant does not pose a threat to disease security and/or animal health. I would be more concerned with the shared access to be honest, vehicles may be clean coming out, but what about going in?
If it has an APHA licence, surely they must have taken in to account that a grass field in Devon was going to be grazed at some point? I would suggest that, as it is licenced, APHA considered this and deemed the plant to be safe.
Here's the pet food bit, it's Cat 3 stuff only https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-animal-by-products-to-make-pet-food
Knew you'd be able to provide a more "professional" and accurate perspective than us farmers!
borderterribles
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- Location
- South Shropshire
The raw food/ pet mince trade is worth a great deal of money and has much to recommend about it.
- Location
- Leicester/England
Not a problem and thank you. It can be a bit of a minefield out there.
Greenbeast
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- Location
- East Sussex
Greenbeast
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- Location
- East Sussex
Indeed, it's something we're currently investigating getting into as we feed raw ourselves currently
primmiemoo
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- Location
- Devon
One of my uncles feeds raw meat bought as a sausage to his housedog and swears the dog does well on it.
To my eyes, the dog isn't finding his meals satisfying - always asking for more. He's also constipated and uncomfortable in his innards because there's no pelt/fur in the sausage, and no vegetable content.
Uncle is happy with that because he hates picking up after his dog.
Owners, eh?