They are all up here in Caithness they were at the castle of mey last week I’d say a press launch maybe they were about for a few days. Dad bumped into some of them and wanted a look around one he got a peak in window and shuffled away.
Grenadier misses yet another promised sales date
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Cowabunga
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The N57 BMW 3.0 diesel engine model, which is fitted to the Grenadier, seems to be plagued by catastrophic faults when used hard commercially.
www.bmwblog.com
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk
From BBC News this evening 15th Jan 2023
BMW have withdrawn the sale of their cars to UK police forces apparently.
I do believe that many farmers will tow heavy loads putting at least as much stress on Grenadier engines as the police do. I wonder whether current production of BMW engines are more durable and reliable than previously?
From Wikipedia today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57
While this engine has been somewhat modified for current production and is now designated B57, the fact that it has withdrawn new BMW cars from police and specialist fleet duty sales must be very significant indeed.
The issue with the BMW diesel engines is allegedly that the plastic inlet manifold gets polluted internally with oily soot and has been known to catch fire when used hard at full load. This resulted in a whole spate of police car fires and the death of one officer as explained in the BBC link above.
I believe that Grenadier should come clean about this and explain what BMW have done to prevent further such incidences in current production B57 engines that are hard driven, if anything. I’m fairly optimistic that BMW, with their engine reputation, will indeed have sorted this problem some time ago and that the withdrawal of police car sales [they have dominated nationally in recent years] is due to a lack of confidence by police forces rather than a lack of confidence by BMW in their current production engines.
BMW UK Police Cars Are Having Problems With The N57 Engine
BMW UK has issued a statement to explain the N57-powered police cars are having issues, but these don't extend to vehicles sold to consumers.
BMW issue statement on N57 engine after police told to avoid high-speed chases
BMW has issued a statement about cars using its N57 engine after it was revealed police drivers have been told to avoid high speed chases in their…
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk
From BBC News this evening 15th Jan 2023
PC Nick Dumphreys: Faulty police car decision too late, widow says
Kathryn Dumphreys says if cars with a known fault had been withdrawn, her husband would not have died.
www.bbc.co.uk
I do believe that many farmers will tow heavy loads putting at least as much stress on Grenadier engines as the police do. I wonder whether current production of BMW engines are more durable and reliable than previously?
From Wikipedia today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57
While this engine has been somewhat modified for current production and is now designated B57, the fact that it has withdrawn new BMW cars from police and specialist fleet duty sales must be very significant indeed.
The issue with the BMW diesel engines is allegedly that the plastic inlet manifold gets polluted internally with oily soot and has been known to catch fire when used hard at full load. This resulted in a whole spate of police car fires and the death of one officer as explained in the BBC link above.
I believe that Grenadier should come clean about this and explain what BMW have done to prevent further such incidences in current production B57 engines that are hard driven, if anything. I’m fairly optimistic that BMW, with their engine reputation, will indeed have sorted this problem some time ago and that the withdrawal of police car sales [they have dominated nationally in recent years] is due to a lack of confidence by police forces rather than a lack of confidence by BMW in their current production engines.
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Cowabunga
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Hydrogen seems to be the sensible answer to commercial vehicles, especially ones run under high load conditions such as towing.
Unfortunately the infrastructure is even worse than for electricity and home bunkering for tractors and other vehicles [combines and grenadiers] will have a significant upfront cost and the fuel will be substantially more expensive than diesel.
Courier
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Folk are simply going to have to get used to the higher costs for fuel in commercial circumstances and add those costs on to their selling prices. There will certainly be unfortunate “fallout” until the last of the diesel powered equipment becomes obsolete either by age, design or taxation.
Those who only have commuting and shopping needs will stick with pure EV but Government will find a way of levelling up the costs nearer to hydrogen - Differential road charging is the obvious mechanism.
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ollandroverman
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From the articles I have read, the engine problem experienced by the police seemed to be entirely the fault of the engines spending hours and hours sitting at idle. It was stated than only the police were having problems, and non of the cars sold to the public and used conventionally experience failure.The N57 BMW 3.0 diesel engine model, which is fitted to the Grenadier, seems to be plagued by catastrophic faults when used hard commercially.
BMW UK Police Cars Are Having Problems With The N57 Engine
BMW UK has issued a statement to explain the N57-powered police cars are having issues, but these don't extend to vehicles sold to consumers.
BMW issue statement on N57 engine after police told to avoid high-speed chases
BMW has issued a statement about cars using its N57 engine after it was revealed police drivers have been told to avoid high speed chases in their…
From BBC News this evening 15th Jan 2023
BMW have withdrawn the sale of their cars to UK police forces apparently.PC Nick Dumphreys: Faulty police car decision too late, widow says
Kathryn Dumphreys says if cars with a known fault had been withdrawn, her husband would not have died.www.bbc.co.uk
I do believe that many farmers will tow heavy loads putting at least as much stress on Grenadier engines as the police do. I wonder whether current production of BMW engines are more durable and reliable than previously?
From Wikipedia today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57
While this engine has been somewhat modified for current production and is now designated B57, the fact that it has withdrawn new BMW cars from police and specialist fleet duty sales must be very significant indeed.
The issue with the BMW diesel engines is allegedly that the plastic inlet manifold gets polluted internally with oily soot and has been known to catch fire when used hard at full load. This resulted in a whole spate of police car fires and the death of one officer as explained in the BBC link above.
I believe that Grenadier should come clean about this and explain what BMW have done to prevent further such incidences in current production B57 engines that are hard driven, if anything. I’m fairly optimistic that BMW, with their engine reputation, will indeed have sorted this problem some time ago and that the withdrawal of police car sales [they have dominated nationally in recent years] is due to a lack of confidence by police forces rather than a lack of confidence by BMW in their current production engines.
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The N57 BMW 3.0 diesel engine model, which is fitted to the Grenadier, seems to be plagued by catastrophic faults when used hard commercially.
BMW UK Police Cars Are Having Problems With The N57 Engine
BMW UK has issued a statement to explain the N57-powered police cars are having issues, but these don't extend to vehicles sold to consumers.
BMW issue statement on N57 engine after police told to avoid high-speed chases
BMW has issued a statement about cars using its N57 engine after it was revealed police drivers have been told to avoid high speed chases in their…
From BBC News this evening 15th Jan 2023
BMW have withdrawn the sale of their cars to UK police forces apparently.PC Nick Dumphreys: Faulty police car decision too late, widow says
Kathryn Dumphreys says if cars with a known fault had been withdrawn, her husband would not have died.www.bbc.co.uk
I do believe that many farmers will tow heavy loads putting at least as much stress on Grenadier engines as the police do. I wonder whether current production of BMW engines are more durable and reliable than previously?
From Wikipedia today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57
While this engine has been somewhat modified for current production and is now designated B57, the fact that it has withdrawn new BMW cars from police and specialist fleet duty sales must be very significant indeed.
The issue with the BMW diesel engines is allegedly that the plastic inlet manifold gets polluted internally with oily soot and has been known to catch fire when used hard at full load. This resulted in a whole spate of police car fires and the death of one officer as explained in the BBC link above.
I believe that Grenadier should come clean about this and explain what BMW have done to prevent further such incidences in current production B57 engines that are hard driven, if anything. I’m fairly optimistic that BMW, with their engine reputation, will indeed have sorted this problem some time ago and that the withdrawal of police car sales [they have dominated nationally in recent years] is due to a lack of confidence by police forces rather than a lack of confidence by BMW in their current production engines.
Surely it would be nice to keep some of LR's reputation for reliability, just for the sake of nostalgia?
North Wales Police seem to have a had a big intake of V90's and A4 Avants. Not seen a BMW 3 or 5 Series in ages up here.The N57 BMW 3.0 diesel engine model, which is fitted to the Grenadier, seems to be plagued by catastrophic faults when used hard commercially.
BMW UK Police Cars Are Having Problems With The N57 Engine
BMW UK has issued a statement to explain the N57-powered police cars are having issues, but these don't extend to vehicles sold to consumers.
BMW issue statement on N57 engine after police told to avoid high-speed chases
BMW has issued a statement about cars using its N57 engine after it was revealed police drivers have been told to avoid high speed chases in their…
From BBC News this evening 15th Jan 2023
BMW have withdrawn the sale of their cars to UK police forces apparently.PC Nick Dumphreys: Faulty police car decision too late, widow says
Kathryn Dumphreys says if cars with a known fault had been withdrawn, her husband would not have died.www.bbc.co.uk
I do believe that many farmers will tow heavy loads putting at least as much stress on Grenadier engines as the police do. I wonder whether current production of BMW engines are more durable and reliable than previously?
From Wikipedia today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57
While this engine has been somewhat modified for current production and is now designated B57, the fact that it has withdrawn new BMW cars from police and specialist fleet duty sales must be very significant indeed.
The issue with the BMW diesel engines is allegedly that the plastic inlet manifold gets polluted internally with oily soot and has been known to catch fire when used hard at full load. This resulted in a whole spate of police car fires and the death of one officer as explained in the BBC link above.
I believe that Grenadier should come clean about this and explain what BMW have done to prevent further such incidences in current production B57 engines that are hard driven, if anything. I’m fairly optimistic that BMW, with their engine reputation, will indeed have sorted this problem some time ago and that the withdrawal of police car sales [they have dominated nationally in recent years] is due to a lack of confidence by police forces rather than a lack of confidence by BMW in their current production engines.
ollie989898
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What harm would idling do if they are serviced properly to take account of this?
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Glazing the bores?
Was about to say the same
ollie989898
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But surely a police car will be driven miles all day every day and often pretty hard at times? Compare that to a 1.1 Corsa that gets taken to the shops 3 miles at 27mph once a week?
Be interesting to put a borescope into engines to have a look or look at disassembled engines.
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Too many tea breaks, and waiting on motorway shoulders for some miscreant to come past.
Why are they sitting idling for hours our car switches itself off even at traffic lights Touch the Throttle and its off like a shot .diesel engines don’t like ticking over l was thinking if they were worked hard all the time they wouldnt get a built up of crap in the inlet manifold. irresponsible wasters talk about global warming.
Something to do with the Crank according to BMW... "Unique to police Vehicles" I think they sh!t the bearings and puncture the sump.
"most likely to result in a fire in certain circumstances which are typical for officers driving police vehicles. These include high mileage and engine idling often followed by sharp acceleration such as when involved in a police chase."
Odd Spec the Police BMWS Sport but not a Sport SE But not an SE... Look at the build spec from the VIN.... Bizzare options and build....
"most likely to result in a fire in certain circumstances which are typical for officers driving police vehicles. These include high mileage and engine idling often followed by sharp acceleration such as when involved in a police chase."
Odd Spec the Police BMWS Sport but not a Sport SE But not an SE... Look at the build spec from the VIN.... Bizzare options and build....
ollie989898
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You would think their priority would be on driver comfort (and safety) so the use of really low profile footwear and stiffened sport springs would be discouraged?
Maybe 4wd as well. Do they buy petrol or diesel cars?
barleybasher
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I've hear TVR are releasing a new car too..... 
They're on Smaller wheels... Sport Suspension... or "Police package"
Trim levels are boggo basic.
Went to look at a 330d E91 couple of years back... EX Police....
Not for me.
All 3.0ds up here and Mostly Manchester the same. M140 kicking about Cheshire.
They still in Blackpool and owned by a mental Russian?I've hear TVR are releasing a new car too.....