ollie989898
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Noble will sell you what you're looking for if you want a simple, lightweight car with a nuclear bomb for an engine.
Grenadier misses yet another promised sales date
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Noble will sell you what you're looking for if you want a simple, lightweight car with a nuclear bomb for an engine.
Aye, but will it try killing you and all life forms within a quarter mile radius every time you touch the throttle mid bend?
I miss how scary those things were to drive
Lakesdigger
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More than one issue with that engine when worked hard from what I've read.The N57 BMW 3.0 diesel engine model, which is fitted to the Grenadier, seems to be plagued by catastrophic faults when used hard commercially.
BMW UK Police Cars Are Having Problems With The N57 Engine
BMW UK has issued a statement to explain the N57-powered police cars are having issues, but these don't extend to vehicles sold to consumers.www.bmwblog.com
BMW issue statement on N57 engine after police told to avoid high-speed chases
BMW has issued a statement about cars using its N57 engine after it was revealed police drivers have been told to avoid high speed chases in their…www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk
From BBC News this evening 15th Jan 2023
BMW have withdrawn the sale of their cars to UK police forces apparently.
PC Nick Dumphreys: Faulty police car decision too late, widow says
Kathryn Dumphreys says if cars with a known fault had been withdrawn, her husband would not have died.www.bbc.co.uk
I do believe that many farmers will tow heavy loads putting at least as much stress on Grenadier engines as the police do. I wonder whether current production of BMW engines are more durable and reliable than previously?
From Wikipedia today https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N57
While this engine has been somewhat modified for current production and is now designated B57, the fact that it has withdrawn new BMW cars from police and specialist fleet duty sales must be very significant indeed.
The issue with the BMW diesel engines is allegedly that the plastic inlet manifold gets polluted internally with oily soot and has been known to catch fire when used hard at full load. This resulted in a whole spate of police car fires and the death of one officer as explained in the BBC link above.
I believe that Grenadier should come clean about this and explain what BMW have done to prevent further such incidences in current production B57 engines that are hard driven, if anything. I’m fairly optimistic that BMW, with their engine reputation, will indeed have sorted this problem some time ago and that the withdrawal of police car sales [they have dominated nationally in recent years] is due to a lack of confidence by police forces rather than a lack of confidence by BMW in their current production engines.
ollie989898
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Aye, but will it try killing you and all life forms within a quarter mile radius every time you touch the throttle mid bend?
I miss how scary those things were to drive
Only time I've been genuinely frightened in a car was in a Noble. I wasn't driving, it swapped ends coming off a roundabout in the rain, right on a normally busy roundabout in Poole on the A350. Luckily nothing else was following on behind. Started up and drove off home to change our pants.
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Tubbylew
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It seems the cars melt when there is work to do, just like the cops that drive them.
Lakesdigger
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Does seem that way. From what I've read it's blamed on the fact that the police are the only people driving them that can drive them hard for long enough for some of the problems to arise yet in Germany where they have the autobahn you don't hear of the issues
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The piece I read said it was about oil in the manifold igniting.
Actually, the unusual way police cars are operated relates to the way pursuit driving is done, not idling. My friend was a Met copper for 30 years and failed his police Class 1 3 times for lacking aggression. They teach that you should always be in the lowest possible gear for the speed you are doing and thus the engine is revving hard (because you then have great speed control by simply lifting off the throttle). VERY few civilian cars ever operate like that.
ollie989898
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Thank you for that, interesting.
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In the next 10 years we wont have the generating capacity or the electricity transmission network in place to replace fossil fueled vehicles so take these dates with a pinch of salt. Its not going to happen. Do you see any streets being dug up now to install home charging points?
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
I doubt it myself but the vast majority of NEW passenger cars sold by 2030 will be electric. However it is likely to be at least 2035 before over half of all vehicles on the roads will be plug-in all-electric. Very few internal combustion cars running on petrol or diesel will be on our roads regularly by 2045/50 I’m sure.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
1st February 2023 and my local dealer [50 miles away] still has not had its first showroom, demo, or customer order model through yet. Nothing! They have 34 customer orders waiting and the first was promised for early January and they are still waiting.
Barmyfarmer
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The first customer car was delivered today
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
In the UK or France?
Barmyfarmer
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Tubbylew
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- Herefordshire
Any good?
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
About 15 grenadiers over my hill beginning of week , all colours doing some photo shoot , i didnt like the look of them just look like an old sanatana
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- Scottish Highlands
I sat in a production one last month. They’re nothing like the Santana on the inside.
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
Was it nice ?
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
You can nearly see a little g wagon in them …
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- Scottish Highlands
Very. Recarro sport seats and plenty elbow room.