guttler question

[benferg]

I got given a guttler see pics.

Is this what you guys are putting on the 750a's and if so do you do anything exciting for the spacer?

 

[zealman]

I had those on my first 750A. Mine were spaced out with a piece of pipe and a bunch of washers.
They worked great in wet and soft conditions. Not so flash going into sprayed off grass. Couldn't close the slot. The points wore down very quickly too, which leaves the contact point of the wheel about 2 inches wide. Have also tried a Martin wheel from Phil Needham, which worked better ( they are much skinnier ) but still won't pinch a grassland slot closed. Have gone back to the standard wheels. They seem to get the slot closed most of the time in most conditions

 

[benferg]

A guy up the road has the martin closing wheels on his, I got the guttler to play with.

I was thinking the same thing about spacing it out with thick walled pipe & washers. After looking at it I was a bit worried about how long the tips would last for.
A lot of our work is direct drill but we also do a fair bit into worked ground as well as stone & was worried that anything with a point won't last in stone, plu the martin would be too narrow for arable work?

How many hectares did you get out of the martin set?

 

[JD-Kid]

the whole drill will not last in stone well boys stone might last a bit longer .. way not save yer coins and buy one of bens drills

 

[zealman]

I never gave the Martin wheel a chance to wear out, so can't comment on acres they will do. Went back to the original wheels.
JD, keeping drill out of the stones will definitely slow the wear down. Be better to leave the drill in the shed, that will stop it wearing altogether

 

[benferg]

was excited by the thought of getting better closing in clay soils, but having looked at the guttler I'm not so sure now.

Plan is to either carrier a paddock or heavy roll it & then drill if there's stones.

JD, this drill beats the pants off a renovator in 95% of situations so it's a good step forward for me. Ben Tait's drill is too heavy for what we are trying to do.
The 750a is still cheaper to run in stone that renovator, tungsten tip points are $50 each or so & I have no plan to go back there. & sure people will say run an old set of points that you don't care about, but even those don't last long. & if you break a spring tine that's $150, it just gets worse.

In saying that though the renovator is still here for when I have to drill some really steep stuff.

 

[JD-Kid]

yer need to talk to the right man about the points don't use the TC tiles ...

 

[benferg]

have tried tungsten gradual as well, & the drilling result was worse (plant population etc) so went back to original coulters again. IMO both drills have their place.

 

[JD-Kid]

the taca stuff or the tuffcote

i sold my tine drill and have gone back to a triple disc at times tine would be better just brought a big set of harrows so will spray let it die back few weeks before next spray harrow the hell out if it to rough it up also try and get seed /weed strike then spray drill

 

[benferg]

um, not sure.

It's put on with an oxy set from memory. Found they left too wide a slot.

I recently drilled a stony paddock with the JD & it looks great, drilled the same paddock in spring with the renovator & it was crap. It's an irrigated paddock so that should have made up for a lot of defects but the plant population was crap off the renovator.

 

[JD-Kid]

funny yer say that i always found clovers alfalfa better strike rates with enviro than the tine drills i had BUT the ground had to be in better order for drilling with enviro only realy bitch is turfy stuff and thinking big seeds drilled deep frist time up get out of the root zone

 

[combineguy]

Hi

We are going to Taca the discs on our CS this year. Mainly because they are loosing traction when they wear down a bit

 

[JD-Kid]

Who's doing it ?? there is a guy on here that dose it well think he still dose

 

[combineguy]

Just going to do if ourselves. Nothing tricky about doing it

Thinking about every third scallop

 

[benferg]

That will keep you out of trouble for a couple of hours in the workshop!!
Hey CG, do you hard surface the leading edge of your openers?

Have to agree that we've had better sign of clover early on with the disc drill, I think this is because with a tine you go deeper to make sure the whole drill is in the ground & so make it too deep for clover to be coming up fast. My brother did some trials with different options of clover establishment through a CS a year back. From memory the broadcast in front of the coulters was good only if you got a lot of rain post drilling, otherwise in the slot won.

I like that with the disc drill a turfy worked paddock goes well as you don't get seed covered by lumps of turf as the disc cuts through them & leaves the seed at the right depth. Did a trial with the accord seeder vs disc drill last year, thankfully only had to re drill a hectare later as that's all I did with the tine drill.

 

[combineguy]

@benferg

Are you refering to the tiles which cuts the horizontal slot?

 

[benferg]

sorry, yes mean the seed/fert boots.

Have to confess I was trying to make the tine seeder fail in my trial. Bloody impatient dairy farmers doing grass to grass in a bog!!

 

[combineguy]

Hi

No we just run standard tiles, as we are in stoney soils and we break quite a few. Tungsten ones break the same as the standard ones and are 1/3 of the price

 

[combineguy]

Who's doIng it ?? there is a guy on here that dose it well think he still dose

Hi

Think reidy used to do them, does he still do it

 

[benferg]

I'm sure he does.