Halal slaughter

[Exfarmer]

Having seen some posts on facebook about this , set me thinking.
I believe most of UK chickens today are slaughtered in a Halal style.
Down the road from me is a very large estate, belonging to the ruler of Dubai. They have a very impressive shoot and regularly thousands of birds are slaughtered, I think that is fair comment.
These birds are not wasted but I understand are processed and many are sent to grace the tables in the middle east. Very good I say, it is shocking that sone estates are rumoured to bury the birds.
However, how can these birds be Halal?

 

[Castle Farm]

Swampy ground I'm afraid.

 

[teslacoils]

Aha, better check your Koran. I believe if shot in the name of Allah then it is permissable to eat. So you would say the words when the trigger is pulled. I am unsure if a non-muslim could say the blessing and shoot the bird.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Having seen some posts on facebook about this , set me thinking.
I believe most of UK chickens today are slaughtered in a Halal style.
Down the road from me is a very large estate, belonging to the ruler of Dubai. They have a very impressive shoot and regularly thousands of birds are slaughtered, I think that is fair comment.
These birds are not wasted but I understand are processed and many are sent to grace the tables in the middle east. Very good I say, it is shocking that sone estates are rumoured to bury the birds.
However, how can these birds be Halal?

Yes, as long as they are killed by a believer of an Aramaic religion (Muslim, Christian, Jew) and the animal dies from being pierced by the bullet, not killed with a heavy blow. As such, I’d believe wounded birds despatched with priest are Haram (or forbidden).

Is Hunting Prohibited in Islam? - Islam Question & Answer

1- Hunting land game is permissible except for one who is in a state of Ihram for Hajj or `Umrah, or is within the boundaries of the Haram zone even if he is not in Ihram. 2- With regard to fishing and catching other kinds of seafood, it is permissible for the one who is in Ihram and others...

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[Exfarmer]

Yes, as long as they are killed by a believer of an Aramaic religion (Muslim, Christian, Jew) and the animal dies from being pierced by the bullet, not killed with a heavy blow. As such, I’d believe wounded birds despatched with priest are Haram (or forbidden).

Is Hunting Prohibited in Islam? - Islam Question & Answer

1- Hunting land game is permissible except for one who is in a state of Ihram for Hajj or `Umrah, or is within the boundaries of the Haram zone even if he is not in Ihram. 2- With regard to fishing and catching other kinds of seafood, it is permissible for the one who is in Ihram and others...

islamqa.info

Thanks for clearing that up, thats all right then
That chap Mohamed , must have been very forward thinking for his day

 

[unlacedgecko]

Thanks for clearing that up, thats all right then
That chap Mohamed , must have been very forward thinking for his day

Like most people concerned with survival in brutal times, I believe he was a pragmatist.

The ruling on guns is an interpretation of the rules for bows and arrows.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I think religion makes its own rules up

 

[teslacoils]

Yes, as long as they are killed by a believer of an Aramaic religion (Muslim, Christian, Jew) and the animal dies from being pierced by the bullet, not killed with a heavy blow. As such, I’d believe wounded birds despatched with priest are Haram (or forbidden).

Is Hunting Prohibited in Islam? - Islam Question & Answer

1- Hunting land game is permissible except for one who is in a state of Ihram for Hajj or `Umrah, or is within the boundaries of the Haram zone even if he is not in Ihram. 2- With regard to fishing and catching other kinds of seafood, it is permissible for the one who is in Ihram and others...

islamqa.info

I thought wounded could still be "finished off" using the halal method.

 

[Hooby Farmer]

Yes, as long as they are killed by a believer of an Aramaic religion (Muslim, Christian, Jew) and the animal dies from being pierced by the bullet, not killed with a heavy blow. As such, I’d believe wounded birds despatched with priest are Haram (or forbidden).

Is Hunting Prohibited in Islam? - Islam Question & Answer

1- Hunting land game is permissible except for one who is in a state of Ihram for Hajj or `Umrah, or is within the boundaries of the Haram zone even if he is not in Ihram. 2- With regard to fishing and catching other kinds of seafood, it is permissible for the one who is in Ihram and others...

islamqa.info

The killing method instructed in the Koran and the Tora were probably just that, instructions and not relgion based. Man has made it a religious thing. One big swipe ear to ear cutting windpipe arteries and veins then a drip dry to get the blood out when the heart is still beating. It appears to be an early form of farm standard to avoid ruining valuable meat. Beforehand without these exact instructions they were probably being dispatched anyway they could, bashing their head in with a big stone or maybe not a big enough stone and having three or four attempts at it, animal stressed releasing adrenaline into the system tainting the meat.

 

[Hilly]

I think religion makes its own rules up

Religions are very cleverly written so they can be Intirpritated any way the reader wants to, some worse than others but in the main religions are all shyt all cause nothing but bother.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Religions are very cleverly written so they can be Intirpritated any way the reader wants to, some worse than others but in the main religions are all shyt all cause nothing but bother.

I wouldn’t entirely agree with you there, at least not the second half, the problem with religions is mans interpretation of them

 

[unlacedgecko]

I thought wounded could still be "finished off" using the halal method.

They can. But a blunt instrument inflicting death but crushing is Haram.

 

[teslacoils]

The killing method instructed in the Koran and the Tora were probably just that, instructions and not relgion based. Man has made it a religious thing. One big swipe ear to ear cutting windpipe arteries and veins then a drip dry to get the blood out when the heart is still beating. It appears to be an early form of farm standard to avoid ruining valuable meat. Beforehand without these exact instructions they were probably being dispatched anyway they could, bashing their head in with a big stone or maybe not a big enough stone and having three or four attempts at it, animal stressed releasing adrenaline into the system tainting the meat.

Religious slaughter and food rules were about avoiding food spoiling and avoiding disease. Hence getting all the blood out; avoiding pork and shellfish; and not eating carrion. By enforcing and propogating these rules they allowed the "followers" to avoid a lot of illness etc. A mix of basic food hygiene and a list of conduct rules for clarifying property rights.

 

[spin cycle]

if you had to write some rules for a group of uneducated scared ppl trying to survive in an hostile environment you'd end up with the ten commandments near enough