AnyOldName
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It seems that your prejudice has led to you totally missing the point here.
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Re-Harry's wider view on the Channel4 Ade Beef Documentary, this Nuffield researcher says farmers are promoting an anti-farming agenda???????????
Danllan
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Writing as someone who lived and farmed in Zim I can tell you that is utter rubbish.
When we were in caves the Bantu - which make up all the extant 'black' tribes there now - hadn't migrated down to that part of Africa, the only inhabitants were the bushmen of various sorts, and none of them farmed anything at all, being pure hunter-gatherers.
The Khoikhoi were probably the first pasturalists in that area, yet there is no definite evidence of them with cattle there before 1500 years ago; there are some sites with what may be evidence for livestock from just under 2000 years ago.
The earliest evidence for domestic cattle in Britain is currently at around 6000 years ago.
And a country file presenter too I think.(says more about countryfile doesn't it!)
How is it the girl from the Martin Lewis show got sacked because she did something for another channel but this guy didn't?
Bit off topic so forgive me but it’s interesting that Zoe Ball (BBC annual renumeration circa £1m) presents a wannabe singing competition on ITV to prove she’s an independent presenter and not a BBC employee under tax rules
What prejudice would that be then ?
In the first minute he sets his stall out: Cows are bad for the planet, but UK cows are better than foreign cows. You explain to me how that is a tenable stance to take.
If Claire Taylor is on here, thank you.
Writing as someone who lived and farmed in Zim I can tell you that is utter rubbish.
When we were in caves the Bantu - which make up all the extant 'black' tribes there now - hadn't migrated down to that part of Africa, the only inhabitants were the bushmen of various sorts, and none of them farmed anything at all, being pure hunter-gatherers.
The Khoikhoi were probably the first pasturalists in that area, yet there is no definite evidence of them with cattle there before 1500 years ago; there are some sites with what may be evidence for livestock from just under 2000 years ago.
The earliest evidence for domestic cattle in Britain is currently at around 6000 years ago.
I will bow to your local knowledge. Doesn't detract from my point though.
Well, this is the same lady. She's been to Brazil, she's been on a 50,000 head a year Brazilian feedlot (pictured below), but she can't see the issues around UK grass fed beef being tarred with the same environmental and ethical brush as Brazilian high input feedlot beef?
- How utterly bizarre.
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Personally I'm against chopping down the rainforest.
Then campaign against tropical hardwood - because that's the first stage in the process - because it's where the big money is - rather than dissing your fellow farmers.
(If I knew how to scan it I would share a photo of me circa 1987 campaigning for the rainforest
) .Why do I have to support all farmers exactly? I don't think all systems are equivalently good for the environment.Then campaign against tropical hardwood - because that's the first stage in the process - because it's where the big money is - rather than dissing your fellow farmers.
(If I knew how to scan it I would share a photo of me circa 1987 campaigning for the rainforest
ollie989898
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There ain't no way that number of animals on that area of land is ideal, in that feed lot system a lot of the manure will be concentrated on one spot or do they move the whole thing every year or something?
This is no different to having thousands of pigs under a roof and no land over which to sustainably spread the muck.
Some of the livestock systems in South America are not as ham-fisted and operate over the Cerrado- areas of native grasslands. Others operate on land that used to be rainforest.
This is no different to having thousands of pigs under a roof and no land over which to sustainably spread the muck.
Some of the livestock systems in South America are not as ham-fisted and operate over the Cerrado- areas of native grasslands. Others operate on land that used to be rainforest.
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thats not quite what he said , he was making the point that the figures that are available and are used by the vegan lobby are made because south american cattle are kept on land that was previously rain forest (carbon release, )and are fed a diet which uses lots of carbon as all feedstuff is moved in large quantities to the cattle as there are such high numbers in one place , whereas UK cattle (or NZ or other EU) graze grass the same as they did thousands of years ago , so carbon use is actually very low
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And there are farming systems that are great for the animals, environment & human health and other that are the opposite. Why can't we say that?
Because for the purposes of the current assault on livestock agriculture, it's all about climate change. And no system of livestock rearing is any different from another when it comes to climate change.
All of the damage is the other side of the farm gate. There is only one way that message is going to be got across; a united front.
So UK 100% grass fed outside 365 days good, everything else bad. Got it.
Of all the fossil fuel used in the food chain, 0.26% is used on farm. Tesco's freezers burn more electricity than does all of UK ag. Yet everyone seems utterly determined to ignore that and instead find any way possible to criticise their fellow farmer. Muppets.
Suffolk Serf
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In defence of feedlot beef, the animals are totally bred on very extensive suckler systems and only get to the large feedlots for the final finishing stage, for only a few weeks, where very careful management and diets (plus a few other substances not legal in many other countries) finishes them very quickly and efficiently.