Hiring a tractor to supply "man & tractor"

[Kevtherev]

Too many contractors as it is.
All hungry for work.
But most of the youngsters won't touch manual work like fencing etc
Just want to sit on their arse texting their mates.

 

[Potato Man]

Which laws and rules?

Maybe thats the reason for the tractor, he is actual near working on one farm as labour which would mean he should be employed after 13 weeks. Having the tractor on finance, or maybee he bought it with a windfall if he hires the tractor out, he then incorporates risk in to his venture and this allows him to be legit self employed. Every ones a winner

What horse power you using ? Was only discussing what horse power would be needed to contract in N Lincs or South Yorshire

 

[FarmyStu]

Maybe thats the reason for the tractor, he is actual near working on one farm as labour which would mean he should be employed after 13 weeks. Having the tractor on finance, or maybee he bought it with a windfall if he hires the tractor out, he then incorporates risk in to his venture and this allows him to be legit self employed. Every ones a winner

What horse power you using ? Was only discussing what horse power would be needed to contract in N Lincs or South Yorshire

The bloke in question only does work on this farm for the harvest. As said, no finance, just a hired tractor to do the job.

As to me, I run a 200hp Fastrac. Had it 3 years and with hindsight, I'd buy exactly the same again. To be honest though, I think it's the implements you have, not the tractor you pull them with, that get you work.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Which laws and rules?

being self employed on labour only, and the red diesel use for carting corn

 

[FarmyStu]

being self employed on labour only, and the red diesel use for carting corn

Using red diesel to cart corn from field to farm is perfectly legal as far as I know. Otherwise there's a lot of folk breaking the law in Lincolnshire today!

As to supplying labour, well I'm sure it's just a generic term for supplying skilled services in a given time frame in a way the contractor chooses.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Using red diesel to cart corn from field to farm is perfectly legal as far as I know. Otherwise there's a lot of folk breaking the law in Lincolnshire today!

As to supplying labour, well I'm sure it's just a generic term for supplying skilled services in a given time frame in a way the contractor chooses.

right if you are carting grain/ silage/ potatos ect, and this is the only job your doing/suppling then you must use white diesel, if you are doing the whole job, cutting carting and storing on farm the complete job, then red diesel is ok and fine to use,
but haulage only has to be on white end of


as for labour only it paye, not self employed

 

[FarmyStu]

right if you are carting grain/ silage/ potatos ect, and this is the only job your doing/suppling then you must use white diesel, if you are doing the whole job, cutting carting and storing on farm the complete job, then red diesel is ok and fine to use,
but haulage only has to be on white end of

You obviously know your stuff. Can you point us to the relevant legalisation? Obviously this is only relevant if he happens to travel on public roads. Either way, I doubt it's ever really enforced so I won't be worrying about such a rule anytime soon.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

no sure where the legalistion is now, but local guy got stopped and then works fron contractor hire tractor per hour so contractor does the whole job to get round it

 

[Potato Man]

The bloke in question only does work on this farm for the harvest. As said, no finance, just a hired tractor to do the job.

As to me, I run a 200hp Fastrac. Had it 3 years and with hindsight, I'd buy exactly the same again. To be honest though, I think it's the implements you have, not the tractor you pull them with, that get you work.[/QUO

Got any thing nice in your arsenal ?have you specialised or you into everything ?

 

[Potato Man]

Do you specialise or do you run a lot of kit ?

 

[FarmyStu]

Do you specialise or do you run a lot of kit ?

Neither. I pick up as much work as I can do just with the tractor. But I'll never grow the business just doing that. Farmers are just indoctrinated not to pay much for that sort of service, despite the investment required by the contractor. Bonkers really cos they'll happily pay hundreds when I turn up with nothing more than a pen in order to write up their NVZ records!

In order to get money out of a farmer you need to supply something they don't think they can do themselves or can't do themselves. That's where your implements come in. They add value to your service and put the pricing ball in your court. But choose carefully. Every farmer has a plough in the nettles so won't pay top dollar for you and yours.

The other thing is to be reliable. It might sound obvious but I'd say 75% of tractor and driver outfits fall down on this point.

 

[Potato Man]

Thought about going on my own but this site has really opened my eyes.
The rates don't add up against the investment. Then my skills are so outdated. I used to drag, plough, harrow, roll, lead never drilled. Been on the lorries for 12 years now monies fab but fancied getting back to farming in a fashion. Easy to pick up all the theory but the practicalis gonna need tackling, just refreshing adr telescopic hi-ab and flt then it will be time to hit the mud and see what comes back let me know when you doing lessons

 

[FarmyStu]

Thought about going on my own but this site has really opened my eyes.
The rates don't add up against the investment. Then my skills are so outdated. I used to drag, plough, harrow, roll, lead never drilled. Been on the lorries for 12 years now monies fab but fancied getting back to farming in a fashion. Easy to pick up all the theory but the practicalis gonna need tackling, just refreshing adr telescopic hi-ab and flt then it will be time to hit the mud and see what comes back let me know when you doing lessons

Don't let this site put you off!! If you're any good you'll pick up work. I tried lorry driving a while back. Hated it. I'd far rather be in a field in the cab of a tractor than on a road in the cab of a truck. There's more to life than money. Unless your short of money that is.....

 

[James]

right if you are carting grain/ silage/ potatos ect, and this is the only job your doing/suppling then you must use white diesel, if you are doing the whole job, cutting carting and storing on farm the complete job, then red diesel is ok and fine to use,
but haulage only has to be on white end of


as for labour only it paye, not self employed

I understood that if you drove to the field and hitched up to a ready filled/loaded trailer and took it to yard white was needed but if you pulled the trailer in the field as it was being filled/loaded red was fine as you were part of the harvesting operation
at least that's how it was explained to me

 

[Potato Man]

Having a think on it all, moving to south yorks so get that out the way first. Eyed a nice Claas in Brigg but not sure what HP to settle at the more HP then the older it will be.
Still love the truck, prob because i am on perm. nights but if i have to go back to days like you i would rather be in a field than on the M1.

 

[FarmyStu]

Having a think on it all, moving to south yorks so get that out the way first. Eyed a nice Claas in Brigg but not sure what HP to settle at the more HP then the older it will be.
Still love the truck, prob because i am on perm. nights but if i have to go back to days like you i would rather be in a field than on the M1.

Do you do overseas runs? I've heard on various grapevines that if you're prepared to spend time away from home there really is good money to be made?

 

[Potato Man]

Do you do overseas runs? I've heard on various grapevines that if you're prepared to spend time away from home there really is good money to be made?

No at Nisa in Scunny Night trunking.
30plus for 4 nights so monies right, my mate runs dutch for a little more as he is on 5s and away all week.
Did all my sums owner/diveing a tractor would fetch about £25k based on op cost at 5,26 ph ex fuel. billing at 20ph on farmers fuel over 48weeks at 40hrs are my sums any where near. Extra for heavy work/distance

 

[FarmyStu]

No at Nisa in Scunny Night trunking.
30plus for 4 nights so monies right, my mate runs dutch for a little more as he is on 5s and away all week.
Did all my sums owner/diveing a tractor would fetch about £25k based on op cost at 5,26 ph ex fuel. billing at 20ph on farmers fuel over 48weeks at 40hrs are my sums any where near. Extra for heavy work/distance

What size tractor? 20 quid an hour without fuel seems cheap. Add just another £2.50 to your charge and your in 30k plus territory. Providing you can get the hours......

 

[Potato Man]

What size tractor? 20 quid an hour without fuel seems cheap. Add just another £2.50 to your charge and your in 30k plus territory. Providing you can get the hours......

Tractor not sure thought about 150hp with 5k on hours and at least 70% tyres And a trailer with add on silage sides bout 12-14t. I actually thought £25ph inc trailer more for culivation drilling ect. but talking on here the rates are all over the place. Farmers sons at 15ph on daddies fuel and some contractors as low as 18 it seem there are a lot of busy fools about.

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Tractor not sure thought about 150hp with 5k on hours and at least 70% tyres And a trailer with add on silage sides bout 12-14t. I actually thought £25ph inc trailer more for culivation drilling ect. but talking on here the rates are all over the place. Farmers sons at 15ph on daddies fuel and some contractors as low as 18 it seem there are a lot of busy fools about.

It's OK taking some guidance on rates from TFF, but best to do your research based on the local area as rates vary substantially based on what part of the country your working in.