How do you deal with a situation like this

[browny88]

Don’t see the issue. Firstly if he doesn’t want you on it over winter he should pay for it 12 months. And secondly Our heavily sheep grazed overwintered land always yields the best first cut as long as there’s some fert in there once the weathers right. He sounds like one of our local big mouthed prats who thinks they own the county.

 

[Henarar]

I supposedly have the ground until the end of January. This is the first year the owner has rented it out after giving up due to failing health. He has always got on well with the other farmer and they sew his grass for him last year the owner supplying seed and fert. But they got it for a peppercorn rent in return. And presumably want it again probably at a similar fee.
They do have a bad reputation locally. Legend has it when the previous generation split up they bought them the farm they are one which is 20 odd miles away to get keep the far enough away not to bother them but close enough to keep an eye on.
As said what the owner is try to do isn't unusual in this parts. The neighbour even gets hill sheep in on his own ground from time to time.

If your going to be out by the end of jan most likely the sheep will do more good than harm anyway as far as bully boy's crop of grass next year is concerned
he could have
just let it go
told the owner/agent he didn't wouldn't want it next year if sheep went in
told the owner/agent he wouldn't be able to pay as much next year if sheep went in
bought the winter keep himself
making stupid phone calls to you is pathetic as it has nothing to do with you its between him and the owner/agent
going round leaving gates open and letting animals out is dam right dangerous
the bloke is a bully

 

[unlacedgecko]

If your going to be out by the end of jan most likely the sheep will do more good than harm anyway as far as bully boy's crop of grass next year is concerned
he could have
just let it go
told the owner/agent he didn't wouldn't want it next year if sheep went in
told the owner/agent he wouldn't be able to pay as much next year if sheep went in
bought the winter keep himself
making stupid phone calls to you is pathetic as it has nothing to do with you its between him and the owner/agent
going round leaving gates open and letting animals out is dam right dangerous
the bloke is a bully

+1. I’d be pretty unhappy with anyone leaving gates open or giving me threatening phone calls.

If it were me, I’d be off the land by end of Jan as planned, and make a mental note not to deal with that land agent again.

And don’t talk to the police. The most they will do is visit the other party to give “words of advice” and that will make things 10x worse.

 

[Scholsey]

If you want to play dirty bang a couple of buckrake tines in the ground, point up a few feet out from the headland if he does his own mowing/silaging, better not if there’s any risk of a contractor doing it.

Best case you get front and back tyres or if your unlucky just the mower. Wouldn’t say this is as bad as letting stock out.

 

[primmiemoo]

I supposedly have the ground until the end of January. This is the first year the owner has rented it out after giving up due to failing health. He has always got on well with the other farmer and they sew his grass for him last year the owner supplying seed and fert. But they got it for a peppercorn rent in return. And presumably want it again probably at a similar fee.
They do have a bad reputation locally. Legend has it when the previous generation split up they bought them the farm they are one which is 20 odd miles away to get keep the far enough away not to bother them but close enough to keep an eye on.
As said what the owner is try to do isn't unusual in this parts. The neighbour even gets hill sheep in on his own ground from time to time.

Bet they're attempting to take advantage of the owner's ill health to wrangle a tenancy, or to attempt buy at their price as "helping out" the afflicted.

There are some right [moddable]s out there who think they're special just because the cows move aside for them.

You'm doing nothing wrong, and taking the behaviours of the other grazier to here is providing a warning to others about him.

 

[JLLM]

If you want to play dirty bang a couple of buckrake tines in the ground, point up a few feet out from the headland if he does his own mowing/silaging, better not if there’s any risk of a contractor doing it.

Best case you get front and back tyres or if your unlucky just the mower. Wouldn’t say this is as bad as letting stock out.

That just lowers you to his level and probably escalates things. Chains and padlocks on the gates and trail cameras is the way to go.

 

[glasshouse]

I supposedly have the ground until the end of January. This is the first year the owner has rented it out after giving up due to failing health. He has always got on well with the other farmer and they sew his grass for him last year the owner supplying seed and fert. But they got it for a peppercorn rent in return. And presumably want it again probably at a similar fee.
They do have a bad reputation locally. Legend has it when the previous generation split up they bought them the farm they are one which is 20 odd miles away to get keep the far enough away not to bother them but close enough to keep an eye on.
As said what the owner is try to do isn't unusual in this parts. The neighbour even gets hill sheep in on his own ground from time to time.

So he ploughed sowed and spread the
Fert free of charge?
No wonder he is pi.ssed

 

[DRC]

You can see both sides of this, although not condoning his actions against the OP.
If ever there was a season when it would annoy, it’s this one.
Establish a ley, then due to drought have little benefit all summer, then if it’s anything like here, tons of grass in the autumn which someone else is getting .
But that’s the owner and agents problem.
Think I’d of asked if they were sure the summer chap shouldn’t get first refusal in a year like this. Maybe he didn’t pay the rent though , so without all the facts it’s a job to know.

 

[Exfarmer]

When we used to take grass it was always on 364. Day lets, perhaps there has been a little confusion and the first grazier thought this was the case, especially if it was a gentlemens agreement.
We also used to use sheep to take any top off in the late autumn or early winter, as it gave better quality silage the next year, usually had them on tack basis per week

 

[glasshouse]

And the "peppercorn rent" is a red herring, if it was needing reseeded, it was only worth a peppercorn.

 

[Henarar]

The neighbour even gets hill sheep in on his own ground from time to time.

This bit made me laugh, sheep are so bad but he don't mind taking the keep money for them at home, talk about wanting all the water running down his ditch then throwing his toys out the pram when he don't get his way, bully boy

 

[Hilly]

And the "peppercorn rent" is a red herring, if it was needing reseeded, it was only worth a peppercorn.

Reseed cost more than rent LL should be contributing to reseeds the price of that operation these days.

 

[glasshouse]

Reseed cost more than rent LL should be contributing to reseeds the price of that operation these days.

here here

 

[spider mike]

So he ploughed sowed and spread the
Fert free of charge?
No wonder he is pi.ssed

Well not quite there is just short of 80ac 20 ac was grass seeds sown 2016 the rest was arable. Now here's a side ball 17 ac was paid for and sown by someone else. The owner had an old guy helper who has his own small holding and as a favour and a thank you he promised him this field so the fella paid for it to be sown and abit extra for a higher quality grass seed.
So that leaves 40 odd acres to be sown by the neighbour. He's the type who says you don't need machinery to milk cows. Some poor young sod from way off came on a monster John deere with some front mounted cultivator and a combination drill and drilled it in a marathon day. Probably going back to home with a cheque rather smaller than anticipated. No local contractor will deal with them.
The land owner paid agrii to supply and spread the Fert. The rest I assume will be cow slurry

 

[glasshouse]

Well not quite there is just short of 80ac 20 ac was grass seeds sown 2016 the rest was arable. Now here's a side ball 17 ac was paid for and sown by someone else. The owner had an old guy helper who has his own small holding and as a favour and a thank you he promised him this field so the fella paid for it to be sown and abit extra for a higher quality grass seed.
So that leaves 40 odd acres to be sown by the neighbour. He's the type who says you don't need machinery to milk cows. Some poor young sod from way off came on a monster John deere with some front mounted cultivator and a combination drill and drilled it in a marathon day. Probably going back to home with a cheque rather smaller than anticipated. No local contractor will deal with them.
The land owner paid agrii to supply and spread the Fert. The rest I assume will be cow slurry

Well the fact remains the man did the work, the use of a contractor is neither here nor there

 

[spider mike]

Yes he did but it wasn't the whole acreage and or at a massive cost that some were suggesting. And the poor old guy who lost out on his seeds who eventually got some money off the land owner when he eventually got paid his rent

 

[glasshouse]

Yes he did but it wasn't the whole acreage and or at a massive cost that some were suggesting. And the poor old guy who lost out on his seeds who eventually got some money off the land owner when he eventually got paid his rent

So the old guy lost out too?

 

[MissSteak]

Any etiquette between the regular summer tenant and the owner/agent aside, it must be said that the summer tenant doesn't own or have any right to say what happens to the land outwith the rental period. He is away with the fairies if he thinks otherwise and should have some formal LDT in place or similar.

Correct my if I'm wrong but not many grazing licences that I've seen go into detail on improvements ie reseeding etc so I imagine he has done this off his own back and has no legal right to claim stakes outwith his grazing period.

Good advice given re wildlife cameras, chains and locks.

Report to police the gate tampering.

Speak to land agent and owner, suggest over email, quote police incident number and request an adendum to your agreement refunding grazing fees on a pro rata basis should you be forced to terminate the licence earlier than anticipated for matters outwith your control (ie bully boy neighbour).

It is beyond contempt how some people who rent land think they are the local Laird and can bully others.

 

[SLA]

Report the gate tampering to the police, and get an incident number. We had “fun” when took on some grazing, previous tenants had rested it over winter and the pikeys dumped horses on. They weren’t best pleased when it was being used all year. We were advised by a friend in the police that any problems like that are best reported, don’t need to point fingers just tell them they’ve been deliberately opened, if it happens again and there’s an accident it’s on record that you’ve found the gates tampered with, and report it each time it and anything else happens.

 

[glasshouse]

Any etiquette between the regular summer tenant and the owner/agent aside, it must be said that the summer tenant doesn't own or have any right to say what happens to the land outwith the rental period. He is away with the fairies if he thinks otherwise and should have some formal LDT in place or similar.

Correct my if I'm wrong but not many grazing licences that I've seen go into detail on improvements ie reseeding etc so I imagine he has done this off his own back and has no legal right to claim stakes outwith his grazing period.

Good advice given re wildlife cameras, chains and locks.

Report to police the gate tampering.

Speak to land agent and owner, suggest over email, quote police incident number and request an adendum to your agreement refunding grazing fees on a pro rata basis should you be forced to terminate the licence earlier than anticipated for matters outwith your control (ie bully boy neighbour).

It is beyond contempt how some people who rent land think they are the local Laird and can bully others.

The one at fault here is the landlord.
He persuaded the old guy to improve one field then took it off him, then did the same to this other guy.
He has form.
Op will be next to lose out, he has done fencing and will get the hoof shortly