How much does your market under declare lamb weight?

[Allied Weighing]

You miss the point

The scales will weigh perfectly

sorry just trying to help

 

[Bury the Trash]

sorry just trying to help

Not necessarily in connection with markets ...but accurate electronic weighing has been a revelation here recently.. far more useful than a wildly bouncing spring dial...............even indirectly telling me that a drinker is not working.

Best money we've spent for awhile.

 

[Allied Weighing]

Not necessarily in connection with markets ...but accurate electronic weighing has been a revelation here recently.. far more useful than a wildly bouncing spring dial...............even indirectly telling me that a drinker is not working.

Best money we've spent for awhile.

did you get them from us

 

[GTB]

I understand why you sell dead but they would pay more if all went through the market not just yours everybody s

I'm not convinced they would pay more. All live sellers think the dw price is based on the lw (marts) but in reality it works both ways. Most buyers know what the dw price is and buy accordingly. If they get any bargains they buy them in their own names, if they're expensive they buy on commission only.

I totally admit that when lambs are in short supply then lw works out better but the reverse is definitely true too i.e. when there's a glut dw is better, especially if you're a regular supplier. Also true to say that abattoirs sometimes need a favour like some extra lambs at short notice etc and if you scratch their backs, they'll scratch yours.

 

[Nithsdale]

I'm not convinced they would pay more. All live sellers think the dw price is based on the lw (marts) but in reality it works both ways. Most buyers know what the dw price is and buy accordingly. If they get any bargains they buy them in their own names, if they're expensive they buy on commission only.

I totally admit that when lambs are in short supply then lw works out better but the reverse is definitely true too i.e. when there's a glut dw is better, especially if you're a regular supplier. Also true to say that abattoirs sometimes need a favour like some extra lambs at short notice etc and if you scratch their backs, they'll scratch yours.

+1.

 

[d williams]

I'm not convinced they would pay more. All live sellers think the dw price is based on the lw (marts) but in reality it works both ways. Most buyers know what the dw price is and buy accordingly. If they get any bargains they buy them in their own names, if they're expensive they buy on commission only.

I totally admit that when lambs are in short supply then lw works out better but the reverse is definitely true too i.e. when there's a glut dw is better, especially if you're a regular supplier. Also true to say that abattoirs sometimes need a favour like some extra lambs at short notice etc and if you scratch their backs, they'll scratch yours.

Your right in what you say but those favours of being there when needed is the problem with the supply chain the typical I'm alright jack farmer attitude that where I think co ops work this is the price you don't pay it don't get it with people tracking markets as to where demand and price trends are going works well in France
Have you looked at the cost of production Merthyr have been trialing that may be the way forward? But it will probably be like the milk scheme where a % will get favoured just so tescos can tell joe public their good to their farmers

 

[Coximus]

I took 18 lambs this week, all strong abermax x mule lambs all weighed over 50kgs, most mid 50s if they were 49.5 they were sent dead to dunbia, only properly above 50kgs went live

What do you think a 25kg sack will weigh on a market weigh scales then?

24.2kg - but I Cant say where or my knees could go.

 

[Old McDonald]

It is a long time since I sold fat lambs or cattle in the UK but my biggest objection was always the buyers demanding luck money. Is it still the same? If it is, how much a head and how much more do you need to get at the mart compared with deadweight abattoir selling to pay for the luck you have given away?

 

[Northeastfarmer]

It is a long time since I sold fat lambs or cattle in the UK but my biggest objection was always the buyers demanding luck money. Is it still the same? If it is, how much a head and how much more do you need to get at the mart compared with deadweight abattoir selling to pay for the luck you have given away?

Never known primestock buyers demanding luck...I always give them some as a gesture....they don't get spoilt either

 

[GTB]

I don't think many primestock buyers/dealers ask for luck very often but they certainly get given a bit as a gesture mostly. I do know one big farmer who often tops the mart with, to be fair, very very good lambs and he is by all accounts very generous with his luck money.

 

[MRT]

Depending on how you look at it I give £2.20 per fat lamb

 

[tepapa]

The trouble with under weighing stock at auctions is when the weight changes the the demand by changing weight bracket. I once took a tex x lamb that weighed 40kgs at home on calibrated electronic scales but only weighed 37kgs in the mart. There was no demand for the mid weight 36-38kg lambs but plenty for 40kg+. So not only did i lose on 3 kgs but also on ppk.

 

[Lovegoodstock]

Cant speak for everyone that goes to our mart, but there is one small weigh bridge with a bit of maze of pens beforehand, im local so normally one of the first there so sort lambs with drover friend, shove on bridge where auctioneer is sat alongside in pretty much a garden shed, he sees a digital display in the shed which is visible from where you are stood, you get the card with that figure at top divided by x lambs, as you do the next pen. Found it really surprising that im lucky an this is not the norm, but is their sqq down from next mart an hour away? Normally yes

 

[sherg]

My local market is on a Monday if I sort lambs on a Wednesday and put them back in the same field they will weigh heavier in the market on a Monday without fail unless it's been pissing down and they've been tucked under a hedge
Putting them back in the same field with their pals is crucial the same goes for weighing lambs the day before you sell it just upsets them

 

[Chae1]

What do you think a 25kg sack will weigh on a market weigh scales then?

They do on our scales at home that we weigh cattle on. I test our mixer wagon with 600kg bags of fert and they are accurate also.

Where do people think all the sh!t and pee you scrape out back of float comes from? I know even on a short journey there is a lot lost.

 

[JP1]

They do on our scales at home that we weigh cattle on. I test our mixer wagon with 600kg bags of fert and they are accurate also.

Where do people think all the sh!t and pee you scrape out back of float comes from? I know even on a short journey there is a lot lost.

That's still NOT the point

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Putting them back in the same field with their pals is crucial the same goes for weighing lambs the day before you sell it just upsets them

+1

 

[MJT]

They do on our scales at home that we weigh cattle on. I test our mixer wagon with 600kg bags of fert and they are accurate also.

Where do people think all the sh!t and pee you scrape out back of float comes from? I know even on a short journey there is a lot lost.

80 lambs sometimes losing 3kg each , I've yet to find quarter of a ton of muck in back of Lorry.

 

[Chae1]

80 lambs sometimes losing 3kg each , I've yet to find quarter of a ton of muck in back of Lorry.

So who's stealing it off you?

Should maybe buy some if they are giving away free kilos.

 

[MRT]

The trouble with under weighing stock at auctions is when the weight changes the the demand by changing weight bracket. I once took a tex x lamb that weighed 40kgs at home on calibrated electronic scales but only weighed 37kgs in the mart. There was no demand for the mid weight 36-38kg lambs but plenty for 40kg+. So not only did i lose on 3 kgs but also on ppk.

I have had the exact same thing