How to buy a recorded ram (Signet Webinar)

[neilo]

In case anyone wasn't aware of it, Signet presented the above Webinar the other day, entitled 'How to buy a Signet recorded Charollais ram'. Obviously it's heavily loaded with Charollais data, but it makes a good job of explaining the new Signet analysis, the new traits recorded via CT, which is relevant to all terminal sire breeds that are recorded with Signet (apart from Aberwotsits, that are still keeping everything hidden from view).

I'm particularly pleased with a graph presented at 15 minutes, showing the real world grading data on lambs from 2 different rams used in the RamCompare project:

The AI ram was one of mine, used through collected semen, and now working on a commercial farm locally. The new owner sent me a photo of one of his April born lambs the other day:

 

[gatepost]

Hang on, I thought this was going to be an interesting, instructive thread on accessing a recorded tup and how it will contribute to overall profit margins especially now the data is backed up by Ram Compare results. but I seem to have been duped into looking at blatant advertising, the type which is usually only associated with Aberwotsitwehaveanythingyoumighttakeafancytoo

 

[Gulli]

In case anyone wasn't aware of it, Signet presented the above Webinar the other day, entitled 'How to buy a Signet recorded Charollais ram'. Obviously it's heavily loaded with Charollais data, but it makes a good job of explaining the new Signet analysis, the new traits recorded via CT, which is relevant to all terminal sire breeds that are recorded with Signet (apart from Aberwotsits, that are still keeping everything hidden from view).

I'm particularly pleased with a graph presented at 15 minutes, showing the real world grading data on lambs from 2 different rams used in the RamCompare project:

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The AI ram was one of mine, used through collected semen, and now working on a commercial farm locally. The new owner sent me a photo of one of his April born lambs the other day:

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Not bad for a single

 

[neilo]

Hang on, I thought this was going to be an interesting, instructive thread on accessing a recorded tup and how it will contribute to overall profit margins especially now the data is backed up by Ram Compare results. but I seem to have been duped into looking at blatant advertising, the type which is usually only associated with Aberwotsitwehaveanythingyoumighttakeafancytoo

Sneaky eh?

But no, I did think the webinar makes a good explanation of the new Signet analysis, and what we’ve all been doing with CT scanning for the last twenty odd years.
The ram that I highlighted does emphasise the possibilities from selecting for particular ebv traits, and the effect in the real world of lamb grades. That example rather debunks the idea, mooted so often, that ‘high index’ rams somehow breed poor conformation.

 

[gatepost]

I'm a big believer in individual traits, rather than just trying to get the highest overall index each year. hence my usually rather run of the mill overall indexes.

 

[glensman]

Sneaky eh?[emoji23]

But no, I did think the webinar makes a good explanation of the new Signet analysis, and what we’ve all been doing with CT scanning for the last twenty odd years.
The ram that I highlighted does emphasise the possibilities from selecting for particular ebv traits, and the effect in the real world of lamb grades. That example rather debunks the idea, mooted so often, that ‘high index’ rams somehow breed poor conformation.

As long as the breeder selects for conformation and width whilst recording, which you obviously do.

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Not bad for a single

I thought it was a double, and his mate is pushing in under mother in front. Course, you got to average their weights to see overall performance

 

[beardface]

Looks like it has scald on its front left from the way it's bearing weight

 

[neilo]

Looks like it has scald on its front left from the way it's bearing weight

If it didn’t have scald, would it be the only lamb in the country not to have it this year?

 

[neilo]

As long as the breeder selects for conformation and width whilst recording, which you obviously do.

Agree, but I have seen plenty suggest that ALL high index rams somehow breed poor conformation sheep.

It’s just a tool, to be used alongside other selection tools.

 

[beardface]

If it didn’t have scald, would it be the only lamb in the country not to have it this year?

I'd recon so if it does its growing well anyway (tidy lamb), as are 90% of the ones I have with it. Frustrating bout of it this year but some have just gotten over it. I have a theory that it's worse in a dry spring as it sits in the top of the soil and catches lambs just after peak lactation as lambs loose mothers immunities. As soon as we had decent rain the cases stopped and some got better. Definitya strange one as grass length doesn't seem to be the factor.

 

[Tim W]

Agree, but I have seen plenty suggest that ALL high index rams somehow breed poor conformation sheep.

It’s just a tool, to be used alongside other selection tools.

Measure/record/select ---get rid of footbaths (if you have them)
A wet spring with long grass certainly brings it out but individual treatment and recording/selection makes a big difference here
It's what i call a functionality trait ---essential to select on if you're a breeder

 

[yellowbelly]

Hang on, I thought this was going to be an interesting, instructive thread on accessing a recorded tup and how it will contribute to overall profit margins especially now the data is backed up by Ram Compare results. but I seem to have been duped into looking at blatant advertising, the type which is usually only associated with Aberwotsitwehaveanythingyoumighttakeafancytoo

Sneaky eh?

If you have a decent 'flag' there's no harm in waving it - nobody else will wave it for you

Joking aside, it's just another aid to add to the overall picture to help you choose. You need to be aware of how the figures can be 'massaged' (ET, piles of hard feed, etc).
Recording flocks spend a lot of money to get the figures so it's daft not to use them in your choice.

 

[M-J-G]

Agree, but I have seen plenty suggest that ALL high index rams somehow breed poor conformation sheep.

It’s just a tool, to be used alongside other selection tools.

It's often over sold though.

As you say, some may be ignorant and say that all high index animals have poor conformation. But on the other hand many are blinded and/or ignorant enought to think that an animal cannot be superior unless it has a high index.

Ignorance is not limited to non believers

 

[glensman]

Agree, but I have seen plenty suggest that ALL high index rams somehow breed poor conformation sheep.

It’s just a tool, to be used alongside other selection tools.

There seems to be a logic bypass when people take on a fixed/personal view on a subject. Conformation breeds conformation and a lack of it breeds a lack of it. How difficult can that be to comprehend.

 

[gatepost]

If you have a decent 'flag' there's no harm in waving it - nobody else will wave it for you

Joking aside, it's just another aid to add to the overall picture to help you choose. You need to be aware of how the figures can be 'massaged' (ET, piles of hard feed, etc).
Recording flocks spend a lot of money to get the figures so it's daft not to use them in your choice.

I better get mine out of the loft and dust it off but which one? my main flag is white/grey/stained and very well worn attached to a stick